[ SECRET POST #6461 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6461 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

For some fandoms, the argument is genuinely true. Things like shounen animanga for example. The sports or fighting-focused ones are notably bad for this where the girls are mascots or love interests and all the serious storylines are about the guys.

This being true for some canons doesn't make it true for all canons though.

[(Anonymous)]

The canon doesn't change the fact that people findd shipping two dudes hotter.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure? Two arguments can be true at once. Just saying it's not always false.

[(Anonymous)]

Or not even the quality of writing, just the number of characters. If there are 10 male characters and 3 female characters, by nature, there are going to be fewer f/f ships. This is not the primary reason f/f is less popular but it is true. Like, just think about gender flipping popular canons - suddenly there's going to be a million potential f/f ships and only a handful of m/m ships.

[(Anonymous)]

...but in this case, OP is saying the gender percentages ARE "flipped," there ARE more female than male characters, and the more fruitful F/F ships are still less popular. I get your point that ratios generally skew toward more male characters overall but the literal secret you're responding to is debunking that as the reason.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, even in those fandoms: if the female characters were better there might be more f/f, but I think that m/m would still be the majority.

The quality and quantity of female characters might be a factor but it's not the reason. The reason is who and what the people in fandom find hot and if the majority of your fandom isn't into women, having better female characters isn't going to make them ship them f/f.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, you've got the cause and effect backward. It's not that better written female characters would make people who had no interest before, suddenly like F/F or M/M in those instances. It's that it'd attract entirely different people to the fandom in the first place.

A fandom that lacks well written and in-depth female characters simply does not attract fans that like to focus on female characters. A fandom that lacks well written and in-depth male characters simply does not attract fans that like to focus on male characters.

If shounen animanga had more storylines focusing on female characters it'd be a different fanbase and genre then. There'd be more F/F because the fanbase itself would change to people who are interested in reading about female characters.

Sailor Moon fandom has tons of F/F and not much M/M for a reason. But if you add more male characters and add tons of storylines focusing on them, it stops being the genre it used to be and the fanbase changes there too.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, you've got the cause and effect backward.

Thinking about it, I'm starting to suspect that the cause and effect relationship here isn't a strict case of "A->B xor B->A" at all; it's very likely that both factors feed into each other.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe? But every time I see people argue "more female characters wouldn't make the current fandom ship them!!" they never take into account that like duh, of course they wouldn't, the existing fandom of a sports shounen for example is already made up of "people who would join a fandom for a canon that's male character focused and the characters are 9:1 male". Changing that after the fandom's base has been established doesn't do anything, nor does it prove anything when established slash shippers suddenly don't stop shipping slash.