[ SECRET POST #6467 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6467 ⌋

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[fscom]

07. https://i.imgur.com/g8JHNKF.png

[(Anonymous)]

kinda agree tbh

"I don't like this and find this distasteful" = sure
"I stomp my feet and actually expect this to change" = i have bad news for u

[feotakahari]

I can’t think of anything about YA that’s as tasteless as the funny sexual harasser trope. (Most YA love interests aren’t as bad as Edward McCullen.)

[(Anonymous)]

I half agree, I like a lot of media targeted to teen boys, and I always go in with an open mind when it comes to their girl characters, from their place in the story to how they are treated, but... I still think it's fair to bring up the issue of Sexual harassment played for laughs, especially in media made for teen boys.

I don't mind the characters being swallow or forged to be all that a guy thinks is hot and validating, that's to be expected and happens in media targeted to girls too. But it's important to bring the message that girls (the other gender overall) are people too.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this.

[scissorsevered]

I absolutely agree with you anon, but I think this wouldn't be as bad of a problem if people expanded their tastes beyond whats popular. I think some people (especially younger anime fans in their teens and early 20s) feel like getting into niche animanga makes them somehow a gatekeeper or otherwise "weird", which is sad because there are plenty of amazing animanga that didn't get as much marketing as shonen ones.

Don't get me wrong, I love several shonen series, but a lot of them ultimately have creative sacrifices made by their authors in order to cater to their audiences. Even just browsing MAL can give you some relatively unknown (at least in the West) animes.

[(Anonymous)]

If you think shounen fans are bad about this, wait till you meet shoujo fans.

[(Anonymous)]

Since when "pervy shit" has become an immuable norm for 13-17 year-old boys? Like they're unable to do better. I like manga and anime, I can still criticize both for being largely mysoginist, homophobic, sexualizing teens and children, and being highly problematic when it comes to consent and the portrayal of PoC. Them being shounen, shoujo or whatever doesn't justify any of this.

[(Anonymous)]

since when "pervy shit" has become an immuable norm for 13-17 year-old boys

......................................lol

The secret isn't saying that you ~can't~ criticize it, just that it's unreasonable to expect change due to your western criticism of a japanese pop genre. Which isn't wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT is an anti ("sexualizing teens" lmao they are DRAWINGS) but I'm going to defend them on the grounds that this "western sensibilities" argument is bullshit. Sexism, homophobia, etc. are NOT sacred ingrained parts of Japanese culture that no outsider has the right to criticize. Attitudes within Japan itself are changing due to *Japanese people* objecting to those problems. Japanese women don't like being treated with sexism any more than Western women. LBGTQ Japanese people very much exist, and the acronym is quite mainstream here. An old anime that has no Western audience (Dragon Quest) got a remake a few years ago that removed the more distasteful fanservice from the original and changed other things that you would call "Western meddling" if you saw it. Japanese people did this. Stop it with the woke western bogeyman ruining your panty shot pap.

[(Anonymous)]

We know what impact certain representations or the lack thereof in media have in RL, why do you think constantly portraying children and teens a certain way don't have one? Even if they're just "drawings".

Otherwise, this. Also manga and anime are a very new genre in the history of Japanese culture and followed trends that were also very present in Western mainstream culture and alternative culture at these times, and vice versa. Separating the two like they're not influencing each other doesn't make sense, history-wise. Several older mangaka have spoken about this.