[ SECRET POST #6475 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6475 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Saint Seiya/Knights of the Zodiac]



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03. [SPOILERS for The Righteous Gemstones, season 3]




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04. [SPOILERS for Hell Followed With Us]




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05. [SPOILERS for Ghost: Rite Here Rite Now]
[WARNING for discussion of RL death/loss]




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06. [WARNING for discussion of sexual harassment/stalking]

[Gushing Over Magical Girls]



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07. [WARNING for discussion of JKR/transphobia]
















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

While I agree the original Saint Seiya was really weird about female characters (later series not nearly as much), turning Shun into a girl kinda adds a layer of unfortunate implications to all his personality traits, assuming they've gone unchanged.

(Also antagonize BL fans a little more, why don't you.)

[(Anonymous)]

This exactly. They would have gone and make an original character or use one of the female Silver Saints for more "female representation", but Shun's personality traits is what made him better than the others. It wasn't even needed.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I mean OP is clearly being totally absurd and ridiculous, but there really isn't anything wrong with genderflipping a character.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, yeah, there kind of is? It's only ever done in a case of flipping a male character to a female character and it's always clear that it was done because they felt the need to meet a certain quota of female characters.

I have never once seen a genderflipped character that seemed like it had any actual thought put into it (and I can't think of a single example of a female character being flipped to male, either). Just "we need more girls, which character can we turn into a girl?"

[(Anonymous)]

Besides the one behind these designs said he changed Shun to woman for "women representation" (his words), when there were silver saints that were women already. Why don't you use them rather than change the one that, oh btw, is more a-kin to look more like women because... reasons?

And it this case it was wrong, specially for the character's personality traits. Shun might cry or feeling that fighting is wrong, but that doesn't make him less man.

[(Anonymous)]

I do think that remakes of things that had one token girl to a team (or none at all) because that was the formula when they were made are fine to genderflip some of them to girls. It doesn't happen the other way around because dude had a point in his badly worded "woman representation" comment. Older works, unless they were explicitly aimed at girls and girls only, didn't have many women. Even things that weren't aimed at just guys had this problem. That's why you never see a gender flip from female to male. C'mon.

Now it does sound like a bad decision to have made this one character with "feminine" traits a girl, but if they'd chosen a less "stereotypical" one... or hey, more than one!... then that would be fine.

[(Anonymous)]

But that's just it-- why do you NEED the representation in a particular story in the first place? It's fine to have stories with a mostly male cast. It's fine to have stories with a mostly female cast. Saint Seiya is based on a shounen manga, of course the main cast is going to be mostly male the same way the casts of shoujo manga like Sailor Moon or Cardcaptor Sakura are mostly female. There's nothing wrong with that.

[(Anonymous)]

So we just need to replace a certain quota of, say, the Sailor Senshi with male characters next remake, right?

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly.

God forbid that a superhero show aimed at young boys/girls features characters who are boys/girls.

[(Anonymous)]

Boys who watch superhero shows need to deal with the fact that girls are their equals who can do anything they can do and aren't just existing in the world in order to be girlfriends they can rescue. Girls don't have a problem watching shows with boys doing important things in them -- like my previous comment said, shows with mostly boys and one token girl weren't always aimed just at boys, but at all kids -- so boys shouldn't have a problem watching shows with girls doing important things in them.

[(Anonymous)]

Wrong. Saint Seiya is a shounen series which has the main target of boys and young men. A lot of western shows with primarily male casts and one token girl were also usually marketed towards boys. So by your logic, we really need to also gender flip a portion of magical girl characters to male because those also often have only a token male character (if any).

[(Anonymous)]

They took a feminine man who wasn't made fun of for being stereotypically feminine or the butt of a joke and just made him a chick. How does that not REEK of sexism?

[(Anonymous)]

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the low key sexist undertones of turning him into a girl