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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2024-10-13 03:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #6491 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6491 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2024-10-13 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT, I haven't commented in this thread before, I'm a way bigger Pratchett/Discworld fan than a Gaiman one going back a few decades now, and Gaiman is a rapist shitbag, but iirc Pratchett also said before he died or even fell ill that he didn't recall which bits were by which author and that there were parts that each swore the other wrote. And also that they were deliberately writing pastiches of each other's styles.

I don't really think it matters who wrote what; Pratchett is dead and Gaiman is the one that stands to benefit from further adaptations of it.

Much as I'm curious about Pratchett and Gaiman's original sequel plans that Gaiman claimed would show up in (the probably now cancelled) GO season 3, it's not worth it unless Gaiman goes to jail and all his current and future assets go to RAINN or Alzheimers charities or something.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-13 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't really think the authors saying they can't remember which parts were whose is all that telling, fwiw. Especially as the creator of a work, and a work that's long novel length and has been through a ton of revisions and passed back and forth. Lots of writers stare at a piece of writing and go over it so many times and through so many revisions that they lose perspective and it often takes third parties to be like 'oh look, you did the theme you always do again, and you repeated this phrase you tend to use, and here's that character archetype popping up as usual.'

Not that I think either author was lying when they claimed that they've forgotten or can't tell. But it's also true that what can be pretty obvious to outsiders can be blind spots for creators themselves.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-13 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like the repeated insistence of the authors that they passed it back and forth and that it's impossible for them to tell which parts are which is a pretty big thing to just airily wave off as irrelevant.

Especially when the only thing you're going off of is vibes.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-13 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, if you're going to dismiss the comment with actual content and rationale about the writing and editing process and the sometimes limited creator perspective on their own work as "airily wav[ing this] off as irrelevant" then... no conversation to be had here.

Sure.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
That's only if you assume that the authors are infallible in being self-aware of their own writing tics and tells and therefore if they say they can't tell, then nobody can. I don't think that's an ironclad assumption. If authors were that infallible, they wouldn't need editors.

(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
Of course, secret!OP was saying that they could tell that Pratchett came up with the whole idea and then Gaiman ruined it all with his Gaiman-ness, not that there are random writing tics in certain sections. But ignore that!

(Anonymous) 2024-10-14 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
...no?

The secret said Pratchett had "some good ideas" in the book that got warped by Gaiman into Gaiman-ness, with the implication that maybe those ideas would have been better off as a standalone book. Nobody said the whole thing was Pratchett's idea, or that Gaiman didn't add ideas of his own.

The only mention of "whole idea" in this thread or the secret is you.