[ SECRET POST #6525 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6525 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I 99% focus on female characters and f/f ships and I've taken a huge step back from fandom roughly 5 years ago because I've noticed these types sprung up. I dunno why they're this toxic - I notice a lot of them are very young (the oldest are early 30s which is still young), they mostly consume "junk food" media like gachas, and they primarily operate on toxic spaces on Twitter or Tumblr.

What bugs me about them is that they spend most of their time complaining about lack of f/f and how it's misogyny and/or lesbophobia instead of making their own content. Or even supporting creators who do make that stuff, for those who aren't good at fic or writing. They treat f/f and female characters as something you "need" to do as faux-activism and not because you like them. Or they participate in the trend of headcanoning canon male characters as women, which... Fine? They're fictional, but I'm not gonna care about a canon m/f ship just because you headcanon one as a transgirl or whatever, you can't say "the fujos" suck or only care about men when you're turning male characters you like into girls solely for artificial political purity.

So many conversations in several fandoms I've seen go:
"I wish there was more f/f! Those darn fujos only care about guys!"
"What about [insert f/f ship]? I like that."
"Uh, isn't that problematic? We have better taste than that. Fujos are into male abuse and that's bad, himejoshi are much more pure."
(Speak for yourself, I'd love more dark femslash.)

Or:
"Why is there such little f/f?"
"I write it, and I like it, but I stopped because I've gotten harassed because I wrote a ship that was arbitrarily considered problematic or I also have written m/m."
"You deserved it, you give us a bad name."

I swear most of them are modern political lesbians with how they treat living lesbians with different opinions or preferences in fiction like garbage.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I think you're missing the real issue tbh.

they're Not Like Other Girls.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT, I think it's a mix of both.

[(Anonymous)]

"What bugs me about them is that they spend most of their time complaining about lack of f/f and how it's misogyny and/or lesbophobia instead of making their own content. Or even supporting creators who do make that stuff, for those who aren't good at fic or writing.

EXACTLY THIS!!!!

[(Anonymous)]

My OTP is from a smallish fandom (popular series, but the AO3 tag is pretty small) and the most popular ship in the AO3 tag is F/F. There's more fics for a fanon-with-backing F/F than the actual canon M/F. You know why? It was mainly written by one woman and her friends, and they befriended each other and created a feedback loop of supporting each other, commenting on each other's fics, and later made a Discord server for discussion. Then more people from outside that group started posting fanworks, and they're nice people too.

Being mean, calling people sexist, and basically begging for people to write your ships is not going to have the effect you want it to. Support creators. People love saying "you should create because you love it, not for comments", but the issue alongside F/F not being popular is people who do like it don't support what's already there. Getting a "wow, this is an interesting idea" or "I thought I was the only one who shipped this" comments have made my day and made me want to make more F/F.

[goodbyebird]

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Negativity does not build community. If you constantly tear stuff down you're just left with a crater in the ground.

[(Anonymous)]

Very well put.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, it's kinda funny, because as someone who exclusively ships f/f and only cares about female characters, I have managed to carve out a little fandom space (on discord) in which everyone only cares about their f/f ships and their show and nobody ever actually brings up anything negative connected to 'there's too little femslash' 'm/m or m/f shippers are evil'. I didn't realize how rare and glorious that was until I ventured out into a different (general fic writer) discord, talking about writing only f/f or gen about female characters and immediately getting the 'oh, as a fellow f/f shipper/writer, the lack of f/f is so infuriating' from at least two different people. I genuinely did a double take, because I just hadn't heard anything like that in over a year. Apparently, I have found the f/f shipper bubble (there's about 20-30 active people in the f/f focused discords I am in and there's all ages, between 17 and 51) where f/f shippers who only care about their ship(s) go. It's honestly so nice and such a stark reminder that it's really rare when I come to places like that writer discord or here and see that it's really not the norm.

But yeah, it's possible. Not to go 'not all femslashers' but there ARE places were this doesn't happen and people are just genuinely happy to ship their little ships (even oftentimes writing 'problematic' or 'dark' fic for them with no one batting an eye*) and not venture out into the big bad world only to complain about it.

*Actually, I wrote a tentacle porn (all f/f) foursome and had one younger person say they don't understand what people see in tentacles, but they were very nice about it and listened to other people explain what they like about tentacles, so...

[(Anonymous)]

DA but I think this is the issue with a lot of "where is the X?" stuff in fandoms - It's all designated to private Discord servers and I often have no idea where to find them or how to get in. Joining servers full of strangers is awkward, I do much better when invited by someone I know, but often finding someone I know is hard. When it comes to certain fandom niches I'm into, finding Discords for it was pure luck. But I don't blame people for having these spaces invite-only because I know if a server like that was public the Twitter discoursers would make it toxic. Alas.