[ SECRET POST #6538 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6538 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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03. [SPOILERS for Deadpool and Wolverine]




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04. [SPOILERS for Nine Sols]




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05. [SPOILERS for Black Magician Trilogy]




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06. [SPOILERS for Arcane season 2]




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07. [WARNING for discussion of sexual assault]

















Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, I don't know who this band is so maybe I shouldn't comment at all, but it's not just about knowing "what male musicians are like" and more like "what men in positions of power and influence are like". Call me cynical, but I think the pattern is clear - a disturbing number of men who have the ability to abuse their power, will do it. Politicians. Wealthy men. Male bosses who have female employees they can pressure. Domineering husbands whose wives are dependent on them or submissive to them for Reasons. It's not male musicians, it's men, period.

[philstar22]

People in power tend to be shit in general. Too many humans find it too easy for power to get to their head. There is less rape seen from women in power, but they have plenty of issues too.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't believe I said anything about women in power not having issues of their own. But I know that with any mention of male issues and abuse by men, someone always has to mention that women aren't exempt. It's kind of funny how women are so very careful to be fair, even when nobody has said women were perfect.

[philstar22]

Sorry, that wasn't how I meant it at all. Rape is definitely a men in power thing. I only meant to add that power seems to be a corrupting influence for many people.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah no. Women AREN'T exempt and when the generalisation is purely "men in power bad" it's entirely fair to point out that every person in power regardless of gender has the potential to be equally shitty.

[(Anonymous)]

They have the potential, sure. But it'd be a little disingenuous to pretend like both genders actually carry out the same level of abuse of power. You don't even have to be that politically or socially aware to know that there's a reason why men abusing their power comes up a LOT and somehow, even with equal potential, women... don't come up nearly as often.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Is there a field in which women broadly have completely equal - or more - power and potential for abuse as men so that comparison can be made?

Not seeking a debate, just wondering if there's data.

[(Anonymous)]

Nursing. Teaching.

[(Anonymous)]

Is there data about nurses or teachers who abuse by gender?

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty sure they meant nursing and teaching (young children) are professions dominated by women. Almost everyone I know, including myself, had at least one abusive teacher in school. There's a lot of data about nurses abusing patients, but also a lot about patients abusing nurses.

[(Anonymous)]

This is pure anecdote, but one of my BFFs who had been a male librarian for years had someone, probably a specific woman, in a position of greater power with a grudge against him. (Library science has more women than men, but available men seem to be promoted into positions of higher power.) I would consider her actions to be harassment, but not sexual.

The form her harassment took was indirect: basically, filing complaints about everything he did, to see which ones would work. She worked him into a state of anxiety that mimicked a bowel blockage. He lost more than 10% of his weight in the course of a few months.

When she retired, suddenly the litany of frivolous complaints stopped.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, no really though. In total numbers, sure, based on the fact that there are more men in power than women. But in percentages, even disregarding the fact that men are much less likely to report abuse by women, I'm not sure there is such a huge divide.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd love to see some actual studies showing that, because I'm real skeptical.

[(Anonymous)]

There really aren't any I know of but neither are there ones that prove the other point so...

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I'd love to see data regarding either claim that's being made here:

- women perform equal abuse as men, when and where there is equal power and opportunity to do so (secondary question: where and where would this be?)
- women perform less abuse then men, even when and where there is equal power and opportunity (secondary question: where and where would this be?)

Otherwise everyone is just talking past each other about how we feel like things might be. It'd be nice to know if one or the other is correct.

[(Anonymous)]

when and where*

[philstar22]

Nope. Just look at how southern white women treated black men and women during and prior to the civil rights era. They may have been powerless against white men, but they had and very much used in awful ways power over black people.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody said women didn't abuse their own power. I'm saying that I don't believe it's to the same extent much as men, and of course, it makes a big difference that men are and have been frequently in positions of power more than women. The fact that you had to reach back to the civil rights era for an example that comes close to the egregious abuses of power that men commit ought to be a clue.

[philstar22]

Any group that has power is going to abuse it more. You've just picked one category, gender. Yes, men abuse power more than women. White people also abuse power more than black people. It gets complicated when you are talking about black men or white women. Of course, black women get it on both fronts.

[(Anonymous)]

Unfortunately, most of this side of fandom and their political allies know white women can abuse power over black men but don't think it's possible for black men to abuse power over white women. And if a white woman speaks up about it when it happens to her, she's a Karen.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. No idea why musicians are singled out when plenty of writers, actors, artists, and other public figures have been outed with henious shit.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, it's true. It's just that it's not just musicians.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP, but my association with musicians (especially with alt and metal scene musicians as the secret appears to be about?) is the huge culture of preying on underage groupies. I'm thinking about all the memes about Warped Tour being groomer central.