[ SECRET POST #6546 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6546 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

On the one hand, I do think the Twilight hate was in part because of how we tend to treat girls. On the other hand, I think Twilight hate also came from people being resentful that it wasn't more of a "fight the big bad" fantasy than a romance novel.

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn't even a good romance novel.

[(Anonymous)]

Why on earth would people be mad about that? It was never marketed as anything but a YA romance.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think YA existed at the time?

[(Anonymous)]

YA definitely existed before Twilight, but Twilight helped Paranormal Romance coalesce into a marketable segment of the YA genre in bookshops.

[(Anonymous)]

YA romance existed but it was more the Dystopian Hunger Games stuff iirc.

At the start of the twilight phase, people's #1 association with "it's a vampire book" was going to be much darker, messy, gothic, horror-adjacent stuff. Anne Rice, Darren Shan, even Amelia Atwater-Rhodes and early Laurel K Hamilton (which had some trashy romance elements but like. At least the vampires KILLED PEOPLE SOMETIMES, you know?) I loved those kinds of gothic-ish vampire books, and I was right in the target age demographic at the time, and EVERYONE kept telling me to read twilight. But every time I read the dust jacket I was overwhelmingly turned off about how it felt like a "Vampire's girlfriend" book and not a VAMPIRE book.

[(Anonymous)]

I hated that it was obvious Mormon propaganda and exploited a Native tribe and always have.

[(Anonymous)]

This used to bother me too, but I hope it doesn't bother many young women now, who should just enjoy great stuff that they love whether idiots shit on it or not.

[(Anonymous)]

'Twilight was bad' and 'Twilight gets unfairly hated on in a sexist way' are two statements that can co-exist.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

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[feotakahari]

There’s a failure point I hit in a LOT of my arguments, and Twilight was one of the biggest times I’ve seen other people hit it. I go “You’re a hypocrite for criticizing A but not B!” Then they start criticizing B. In this case, people went “You’re a hypocrite for complaining about absolute garbage women like, but not for complaining about absolute garbage men like!”

[(Anonymous)]

From what I remember as an early teen going on the internet around the time the Twilight books were emerging - I remember a lot of hate coming from the Anne Rice Vampire Chronicles fans and mostly calling it an inferior vampire series that's 'ruining the vampire genre'.

On the other hand, the memes at the time were pretty funny. I have a vague memory of fans on LJ (possibly on Oh No They Didn't) making joke short-fics about parts of the book.

[(Anonymous)]

I often think about those women who got full back or arm tattoos of the actors and wonder if they regretted it later when their hype died down

[(Anonymous)]

In general I think getting a tattoo of a person (at least one meant to be realistic, not a really stylized/cartoon/etc. version) is a bad idea. They never look good.

I think fandom tattoos work better if they're fairly subtle. Something another fan might recognize, but not every rando who sees it.

[azurelunatic]

Twilight was full of immensely engaging characters and compulsively readable, but if and only if you can take a straight shot of 14 year old girl in love for the first time. Purple prose and all. (Yes, she was like 17. My point stands. No, the flagrant purple prose is not the only style Meyers can write in, there are eventually Edward POV bits which have entirely different flaws, which means the purple prose is a character choice for Bella.)

Unfortunately, I think the characters were too strong for Meyers's writing skill at the time. The plot is not shaped like current Common Plot Arc, it's shaped like a gently sloping plateau and then Suddenly Mount Doom (barely any foothills). From time in various writing groups and my own experience writing, this kind of combination (vivid characters, wild and wandering plot structure) is when a writer has characters driving the plot, and doesn't know how to either rein them in or edit them down into something tighter. It happens all the time in fanfiction too, but fanfiction narrative conventions also do not expect a tidy plot arc, sometimes we're just here to wallow in characters we already love. And Bella is a character that so many people who have already been a teenage girl are primed to have sympathy with.

(Also, I admire Ms. 50 Shades of Gray for picking up that Bella is a masochist in bed, because wow. Okay, let's take this metaphor to sports. Non-extreme sports person: "It's the day after my big event, I'm covered with bruises and I hurt all over, it's terrible, I'm ashamed to show my body, this was a mistake, I'm never doing this again." Extreme sports person: "Wow, this extreme sports event was what I've wanted all my life, do you see how hard I worked to get here and how hard I played to win, look at these bruises, isn't that one amazing, look at the color, I ache all over but it's great, I feel great, that was intense, I can't wait to do that again!!!" My actual friend not in The Scene: "Okay, but if I ever see a bruise on your body that you're not proudly showing off to me, than man is Dead Meat.")

[azurelunatic]

Rambling plots going nowhere rolling around in a man's minutia and stupidest thoughts tends to be Deep Literature, and I dare anyone who hate-read Twilight to go read John Irving.

[(Anonymous)]

It was Mormon propaganda, full stop.

[azurelunatic]

You say 'potato', I say 'Mormon cultural immersion with no self-awareness about the existence of, let alone validity of, any other way of life'

[(Anonymous)]

She literally glorifies it. It wasn't a cry for help, and she absolutely used a real live Native tribe horrendously--and they have not seen a fucking dime. So she can cry into her money about being called out on her Mormon glorification.

[(Anonymous)]

Proclaiming that you know why someone wrote what they did and that it was for a bad reason is exactly what book-banners do.