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⌈ Secret Post #989 ⌋

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However, all the jargon about lowering the standards so that I can be a firefighter, police officer, professional athlete

Do people actually advocate that? o.0 I've never heard of that... that is just kind of strange, to be honest. Why would anyone even want it? It sounds more condescending than anything else --- like saying "let's make it easier for the poor little weak women".

EDIT: Oh I keep failing. *sees your response*

Okay, yeah, that is just weird. I could understand if it was something like the people in charge of the practical exams or something either subconsciously or consciously marking a woman down as weaker or something when she's performed just as well as a guy, but trying to say that the standards that they are marked against should be changed to be easier? That's just bizarre.

Edited 2009-09-20 21:20 (UTC)

And I've never even heard of that. I'm sure there are employers who secretly have it in their minds that hiring a man is more beneficial than hiring a woman, but many women have rose up against such people and have become leaders of fortune 500 companies.
Clearly there was a change and therefore, women pretty much CAN achieve such high statuses without whining about being oppressed.

Well, I think it's fair to say that there is still some oppression, even in today's society, but it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be.

Sometimes I think we focus too much on the negative :/

Just a random fyi: there have been some pretty conclusive tests done that show if you hand in a resume for a standard job (lets say, IDK, office??), you're more likely to get a call back if your first name is ambiguous, or just a falsely given male name. Same goes for names that "sound" white vs black.

I've heard that before, actually. Something similar, that women with male-sounding names get higher in the job ranks. Huh.

They can achieve high status, but surely you know how rare it is in proportion, compared to men? There's this thing called the glass ceiling...and you'll probably find out about it first-hand when you're older, sadly.

Or maybe rethinking the actual requirements of the job now that we have much improved technology? Why do you single out female firefighters? There are plenty of them around now and they are opening doors for other women in the future. I certainly don't think there is anything odd about female police officers, and yet they had a struggle to be respected at first.

I don't think there's anything odd about it, I even said there are plenty of them out there who rose to the standards set for them, so there's no reason for people to be whining about lowering them.

Or maybe rethinking the actual requirements of the job now that we have much improved technology?

So you do think there should be a condescending sort of response, like poor weak women just can't do it the way men do, we should lower the standards? :S

I hope that's not what you're trying to say. In fact, I'm going to guess that isn't what you're trying to say, but it does rather sound like it. :/

Oh please, you know that I am not arguing for a condescending response and I have not asked for lowering standards, just pointing out that requirements can be adjusted for both sexes and this can allow more women to participate in society. If you think about truck driving, it used to be hard physical work to drive a truck. Now that we have power steering etc it is easier for women to drive trucks. This applies across the board. Eg the height requirement for police officers has been lowered because there is no real reason that police officers should be tall. Women are usually shorter than men so more women now can apply.

Eg the height requirement for police officers has been lowered because there is no real reason that police officers should be tall.

Oh, talking about that sort of thing. Okay, that makes sense, I see what you mean then.

Hee, I'm glad we can agree. :) *shakes pom-poms for all the brave female fire-fighters and police officers*

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