[ SECRET POST #6591 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6591 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

But you didn't answer the question: what sex are they? I was told yesterday that everybody, including all intersex people, are obviously one or the other, just with a sex disorder, and that it was very silly to pretend otherwise.

So this should have been pretty quick to answer. And yet: crickets.

[(Anonymous)]

I wasn't the anon who wrote that so I'm not obligated to answer any of your questions because I'm not bored enough to read two random papers. Stop acting like every anon is the same anon. I was just replying to the comment that the comparison with extra limbs was dumb, which is isn't.

[(Anonymous)]

But to answer your leading question anyway: These people are apparently both of the two sexes. They're not a magical third sex. it's still a mix of two sexes. And it's exceedingly rare. Sticking with the extra limbs: A child with 4 legs has two extra legs in addition to the 2 they would normally have, they're not a new kind of human.

[(Anonymous)]

How is "both" not a third category from "male" and "female"? If "both" is permitted as answered, there are, inherently, no longer two sex categories, there are three: male, female, and both.

[(Anonymous)]

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"Both" is not an answer, and it's also not a third category. Biologists define sexual categories in species based on how an organism can reproduce. The small minority-in-a-minority of intersex people who are not sterile can reproduce because they have functioning sperm OR functioning eggs. They can inseminate someone, or they can get pregnant. None of the people who make sperm that works also make eggs that work. Alleged cases you will find to the contrary are hearsay, dressed up in scientific terminology.

The first article cited was published in 1982, and you're linking to a sensationalized abstract of it. The actual 2-page article, available here on sci-hub if anyone else wants to check it, https://sci-hub.se/10.1002/bjs.1800690517 is about a married man they're claiming is intersex despite not having run the tests they would need to be able to determine what specific variety of intersex. (Which makes it much harder for other doctors to corroborate or challenge the results by studying other patients with the same condition.) They're also claiming he fathered a child despite having done nothing to prove paternity of the child. Then when you get into the fine print of their assertion that this man produces viable eggs, you discover that what they're actually saying is that they managed to get something they believe to be a developed egg out of his body, although they admit that his testosterone levels as an adult were too high to produce any functioning eggs then. So they speculate that perhaps this egg formed before he reached puberty. And, prior to this study, the man needed four surgeries to free his right testicle and the associated blood supply. But they're brazen enough to claim this is a dual-functioning hermaphrodite, that no one would have guessed is not a normal male. This is junk science.

The second article is both more recent (2022) and less reckless, but you'll notice that all they're asserting is that this intersex woman managed to carry her second pregnancy to term. They specifically state that "no spermatogenesis was identified," which means they're opting not to claim she can produce viable sperm and have zero evidence to believe that would be possible. But (in 2022) they are shying away from admitting that bluntly. From a scientific standpoint, the fact that a mosaic karyotype intersex patient managed produce viable offspring at all is fascinating, but it's not relevant to the claim trans activists are trying to make.

Trying to defend the trans cause with cherry-picked misinformation about intersex people is about as ridiculous as trying to champion trans-racial identities by claiming that some black people with a rare medical condition become white over time. Or vice versa. But the amount of people who can explain what's wrong with this distorted concept of intersex who will bother to have this argument, online, and risk being mobbed, insulted, and accused of heartlessness for their trouble, are few.

[(Anonymous)]

Both is still 2 sexes. It's just a ridiculously rare mutation that includes both in one body. That person is biologically male and female. Not a third option.