[ SECRET POST #6594 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6594 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[thewakokid]

"No one knew"

*Smug mode*

No, I kid, I know no-one KNEW knew, but I'd have put money on it. I'd have put real life changing money on this having been the case. On Gaiman specifically, but in more recent years Palmer seemed like something of a user too. I admit I wouldn't have called it on palmer, but I've been on the "Gaiman is a creepy fucker with women" for eons. At LEAST the mid 2000's.

I also bullseyed Joss Whedon as well.

Cosby blindsided me, tho. Can't say I saw that one coming at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't know know it, but I thought that it'd be a miracle if someone in Neil Gaiman's position who was idolized by a great many emotionally vulnerable, worshipping fans didn't take advantage of it somehow, because that's the way to bet re: rich men in power. I started to side-eye him more when he got with Amanda Palmer, who already struck me as a narcissist and a user of fans, because if Gaiman was such a paragon, why would he be okay with that? And (maybe) coincidentally, it brought him into contact with another large fan following of emotionally vulnerable young women with an aesthetic he seems to like.

I thought Whedon was an arrogant asshat. Didn't know enough about him to say more, but again, for the same reasons, it didn't surprise me. Mostly because he seemed to have a "type" for his female characters and it felt like someone's sexual fantasies bleeding through into their work.

Also blinded by Cosby, who I only knew as the Jello pudding pops guy and Dr. Huxtable. That was a nasty surprise.

[(Anonymous)]

I was gutted by Gaiman, just... like, because the EXTENT of it was so much worse than I could have guessed, and it's so, so awful for those women...

I was not entirely surprised by Cosby, because before anything else, I had heard his stand-up routine about Spanish Fly. I heard it as a kid and I didn't entirely understand what was going on in the routine until much later, but like... if you had never heard that one bit, then I absolutely understand being blindsided by Dr. Huxtable! Especially because back in the day you could sanitize your image, you know, there was no sense of an old comedy routine living forever, even if some people (like my grandparents) had it on vinyl, you could switch things up and build this fan base that didn't come from the stand-up world at all, who were there because you were doing pioneering things as a black man in television or just because you came into their homes every week as a loving husband and father... I absolutely understand the shock of that one, because if it wasn't for one old record in my grandparents house and the weird feeling one bit on it gave me, I'd have been right there with you.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, lots of people knew that Gaiman slept around and had sex with fans, and that he was doing this long before he divorced his first wife. That was very well-known. Also known, though less well, was that he was a bit of a creep with fans sometimes. Amanda Palmer as a user and grifter, yes, also well known. But I was really blindsided by the abuse and rape. Like, fans threw themselves at him all the time, he had absolutely no need to do that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. It's not like everyone assumed he lived like a monk, but they figured that whatever he got up to was consensual, including his open marriage, etc. etc. The man was a literary rock star, he could've had consensual sex until his heart gave out. Clearly that's not what he wanted, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. I've never considered them especially good people. I liked Gaiman's work, I loved how he collaborated with artists I like, so I have a lot of his works. But I thought he is arrogant and a bit of a creep towards fans and didn't especially like him as a person. And Palmer seemed like not a person you want as a friend. (I am not into her work) But there is this and there is abuse and rape of vulnerable women.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't know that about Neil Gaiman. Never once heard a rumor like that in the past.

[(Anonymous)]

wait what happened with josh?

[(Anonymous)]

Josh who?

[(Anonymous)]

Gesundheit.

[arcanetrivia]

I think they meant Joss Whedon.

[ariakas]

For me Gaiman was a surprise but ia that Joss was surprisingly obvious with his hyperfetishistic waif-fu shit and putting rank misogyny in the mouths of characters who are inevitably absolved, while leaning on his ""feminist"" credentials to not get called out on it, but back in the 90s everyone around me in nerd fandoms made me feel insane for saying so. But people would go full-on attack dog back then over pointing out things (cultural appropriation, typecast minority characters, lost cause apologia) that are just common sense about his work now.

[(Anonymous)]

Whedon's waif fetish was right in your face, and his foot fetish almost as obvious-but never quite as blatant-as Tarantino's. Looking back on his work, he has a big thing for shilling the sadsack borderline incel male characters too.

Gaiman was just a sleezy pseudo-goth. You saw a lot of them in the press industry in the eighties and early nineties in the UK. They were pretty common, so he didn't stand out that much.