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Comments

Re: Purity test time!

[(Anonymous)]

I strongly believe bigotry to be the belief, not the words. The words can sometimes suggest the belief, and the words these days can be used to ASSUME the belief, but the words alone do not automatically MEAN the belief. And I am in the position to KNOW my own belief in a way you wouldn't.

Sorry, this just sounds like a roundabout way to say it's cool to make bigoted or hateful remarks, then backpedal going "it was a joke you guys, I don't actually think that, chill out!"

If it walks like a duck, etc. If your words present you as a bigot, then yeah, you'll be perceived as one. If you're not actually a bigot, then... use different words?

Re: Purity test time!

[thewakokid]

I simply do not believe in magic words. Remarks are not themselves hateful. Words can SHOW hatred they can reveal it, but they themselves do not inherently contain hatred. Saying a word does not turn you into a bigot, and acting like the utterance of the forbidden symbol is like the mark of cain, revealing the evil inside seems... Well, it seems down right dogmatic to me.

As to whether you perceive me as a having hate after I explain my meaning in using those words? I wish you wouldn't, but I can't control that. It's important (for me) to remember that what you think of me isn't me.

As to using different words: I do. Have you ever seem me call anyone on this comm a "slur"? Because whatever I believe about myself and my freedom to express myself however I feel, I recognise strangers have no reason to assume the best of me and I don't feel the need to be perceived as hatefully attacking strangers. That doesn't change the way I feel about words and beliefs. Recall this thread is about my own measure of bigotry, not other peoples.

Re: Purity test time!

[(Anonymous)]

How does this notion fare against the euphemism treadmill?

There are terms that are considered inclusive, or an improvement over previous terms, that later come to be seen as bigoted. A recent example: in the late aughts/early teens, trans* came into use. Since "trans" can describe a diverse range of identities, using the asterisk was viewed as a way to signal understanding of this diversity, and to include everyone. This usage was encouraged by trans people themselves in the LGBTQ community; they were generally the people educating others about it. "Just so you know, trans* is preferred over trans," etc.

A few years ago, trans* began to be seen in a totally different light. I'll confess that I'm still not completely sure why, but the fact is that if you write trans* instead of trans, you may be called out, and told that the asterisk is bigoted. Does this mean that everyone who adopted it during the period when it was the preferred term are actually bigots, and were so the entire time?

Re: Purity test time!

[(Anonymous)]

Same with just about every mental or physical disability. And mind, this is not a case of classic boomer "ugh you can't say ANYTHING anymore" mentality for when they're not allowed to use the n-word anymore but just the amound of terms for, say, dwarves/little people, certain skin colours, mental disabilities like downs syndrome or just the terms used for mentally or physically disabled/handicapped (see, I'm not even sure which one to use atm) people as a group has changed a lot over the years and often several times, also back and forth, in quick succession so that anyone not currently aware of any recent changes could have been guilty of using a "bigoted" word they sincerely believed was the correct one.
And that's not even touching the whole "reclaimed slurs/well I prefer this term" debate, not just outside but inside the respective communities as well.