[ SECRET POST #6630 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6630 ⌋

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Comments

[philstar22]

That's not remotely the same thing. When the government of a particular country does something downright evil, yes, generally anyone from that country is going to be viewed in a skeptical light by other countries. It is like Christians in general being viewed in a bad light because of the awful things fundamentalists and others do. Completely understandable.

[(Anonymous)]

Christians are a little different, because when it comes to what religion you follow, there's an element of choice that isn't there when it comes to what country or nationality you belong to.

Was it "understandable" for us to create internment camps for Japanese and German Americans because we were at war with their countries? Was it okay for us to indiscriminately kill their civilians, most of whom had no say in what their militaries and governments were doing?

Look, I'm not gonna beat around the bush with this. This attitude you have is exactly what leads people to believe that it's perfectly fine to mistreat others simply because of where they had the bad luck to be born, and it's what leads people to believe that it makes sense to level an entire country. And you may say, "but that isn't what I mean," but for goodness' sake, what else could be the logical endpoint of, "guilt by association is sensible on a national scale?"

[philstar22]

There is a vast difference between people assuming that an American they meet is more likely than not to support the current president who won the majority of the votes and sending anyone to internment camps. If people start sending Americans to internment camps, then there would be an issue. Right now it is Americans treating immigrants like we treated Japanese during WWII.

[(Anonymous)]

Except we're not talking about someone assuming support for a president. We're talking about punishing everyone in a country because of its president. That's what started this thread.

[philstar22]

What do you mean by "punishing?" I don't think there is anything happening to Americans remotely similar to internment camps.

[(Anonymous)]

Economic punishment is punishment. It always affects the most vulnerable in a population, while the people it's meant to affect go unscathed. In fact, the powerful tend to use it as an excuse to redistribute more wealth up to themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

This. The economic sanctions placed on Iran after their revolution in the 70s hurt the average citizens and the poor far more than it hurt the people who were responsible for taking the workers at the US embassy hostage.

[(Anonymous)]

Preach.

But I assume you know that the majority of this comm does not consider economic concerns to be of primary importance in political matters.

[(Anonymous)]

What a bunch of bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, that company underpays it's workers and produces subpar products that poison and maim their customers? You can't boycott it! That's punishing everyone who works there just because of the actions of upper management!

(/s because apparently this anon actually does believe that)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, are you under the impression that working for a company and living in a country are the same thing?

[(Anonymous)]

No other country has the obligation to continue buying american goods. They can boycott us if they want, and I encourage them to, as our "upper management" is actively making their lives harder.

Because that is what you're objecting to: other countries boycotting us. It's the exact same situation. You're just objecting to diction, which is the last ditch of the losing side. No country has any obligation to buy our goods. Period.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it is not "just diction." There is an actual tangible difference between a worker in a company and a civilian in a country, and you pretending that there is no difference doesn't make you the "winning side." Leaving a company is a relatively simple matter; leaving a country is not in the best of times, but especially not in a period of near global anti-immigrant sentiment.

And I think the fact that boycotts are viewed as the only manner in which people can express their disapproval of the actions of the powerful is both a capitulation to the logic of capitalism and an argument against globalization more broadly. But those are bigger, more difficult problems that most people would rather not deal with. And in the meantime, ordinary folks suffer from the effects of these actions while the powerful, the people actually responsible for all of this crap in the first place, go completely unscathed! The argument is that "life's not fair," but this goes beyond the unfairness of collateral damage, because the damage isn't collateral at all. It's completely soaked up by the people who least deserve it, and dodged by those at whom it's aimed.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not spending my Saturday teaching you basic international economics. I have much, much better things to be doing. Please, go to school.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

2014 called and wants its standard flouncy reply back.

[(Anonymous)]

You are right, and thank you for saying it. Some people just like to have an excuse to be bullies and assholes, especially when they can hide behind being on the "good" side.