[ SECRET POST #6664 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6664 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Hm I disagree with the characterization of "most of the time it's motivated by homophobia." I think characters just have very different dynamics with different characters and sometimes a dynamic sparks someone's mind and they want to dig around and play with it, even if a character is canon gay. I also think that, not only is it hard to know if a character is "canon straight" but it's also hard to know if the character is "canon gay" rather than bi in both cases. Even people who e.g. only date women or say "I'm lesbian" can change their mind later and date men (saying as someone who has known multiple people IRL who said this, although they also dated/were attracted to boys when they were kids, so the turn back to being bi didn't really surprise me in any of the cases). Sexuality and identity are complicated and individual, and it's hard to establish in stories someone's sexuality concretely unless it's Word of God, in which case it's not actually established IN the story but outside it in a way that can be easily ignored.

It's also hard for me to tell when something is motivated by outright homophobia vs. general heteronormativity vs. this is just an isolated interest in het. Like, sometimes someone will say their opinions on gay people and then, yep, you 100% know for sure it's homophobia. Some people are either quieter about their homophobia or just not actually homophobic (i.e. have plenty of slash/femslash ships in other fandoms). I've seen plenty of examples of all those types in fandom.

I also disagree that the sexuality case is directly analogous to the race case. I can understand wanting to racebend a POC character white to explore how that would change the character's culture/upbringing/life experiences and how that would affect the way their character is read by fandom, which some people do. If that isn't what's going on, though, I can't think of any reason why someone would want to do that except aesthetics that likely verge on racism? Whereas with the gay/straight case, you can just be really invested in the dynamics between two characters and want to write about how they would function in a relationship, and there isn't really a clearly-defined canon that you'd be ignoring or overriding. I don't think that's the case with racebending characters. (I suppose if you kept the character's appearance exactly the same and said "I headcanon this character who is presumably/Word of God African-American as black Brazilian instead," then maybe that would be a bit more analogous? -- reading against the text a bit but not actually changing anything canon established about the character.)

I do agree in both cases there is an asymmetry between turning a gay person straight vs. turning a straight person gay, and turning a black person white vs. turning a white person gay, so I agree with you there and I see why you are pointing that out. But otherwise, I don't really feel the cases are analogous (because of the other factors/differences I listed above) and I don't have the same feelings about them, to be honest.