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⌈ Secret Post #1005 ⌋

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[Albert Ellis/Carl Rogers]

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[Soul Eater]

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[Loony Toons]

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[Glee]

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[Dreamcatcher]

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[Dollhouse]

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[Air Force One]

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[Folklore]

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[Final Fantasy 9/Phoenix Wright/Mega Man/Gurren Lagann]

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[Patrick Stewart/Jeremy Northam/Hugh Laurie/Cary Grant]

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[07-Ghost]

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[Supernatural]

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[Charm School]

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[Avatar]

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[Bosom Buddies]

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[Fame]

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[X-Factor]

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[Kev and Alice]

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[Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle]

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[Scott Gairdner]

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[Zero Punctuation, Guitar Hero World Tour, Neon Genesis Evangelion]

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[Questionable Content]

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[Homeward Bound]

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[Supernatural/Pita-Ten]

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[Lena Headey]

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[Veronica Mars]

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[Last Days, deleted scene]

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[Supernatural, The Amazing Race]

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[The Dresden Files]

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[Song of Ice and Fire]

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[The Vampire Diaries]

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[Supernatural]

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[Juno]

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[Elijah Wood]

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[Life on Mars]

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[Days of Our Lives]

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[Good Omens]

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[The Mentalist]

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[Supernatural]

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[Lie to Me]

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[Supernatural]

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[Burn Notice]

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[Fullmetal Alchemist]

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[3rd Rock from the Sun]

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[Supernatural]

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[Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog]

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[Song of Ice and Fire]

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[Gyro Gearloose/Uncle Scrooge]

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[porn... I think?, A Mate]

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I don't know if this is in the book or not, but in the version of the play I watched there was also a female aide, who was constantly sexually harassed by McMurphy, and a prostitute, as well as the suicidal boy's mother. The head doctor was also portrayed as weak and despicable because he deferred to the head nurse instead of just controlling her and forcing her to do what he said.

I'm not going to contest that Ratchett was one evil person, but the way the play that I watched, at least, presented it, the most appalling thing about her was that she was a woman with power over men. It was the same with the suicidal boy and his mother - the route of his problem was that she was in charge of him instead of the other way around. And the man who was the leader of the inmates before McMurphy came in, he didn't take control of his wife. Again and again, the theme was that women should never be in a position of power over men, they must be put in their place and submit. All the women in the play with any sort of control over men were demonized, and McMurphy was glorified for treating women as objects.

I enjoyed it, and I thought the other themes on the fucked up conditions of mental hospital systems at the time were really well done and interesting, but I just couldn't help being squicked by what seemed to me a very obvious message that real men are aggressive and domineering toward women, and can always 'put women in their place' --- that is, below men.

Well of course that theme was there. But you have to look at it contextually. Partly that is in context of the time it was written and the time it was portraying -- it's a relatively accurate, albeit arguably exaggerated, take on the social roles of men and women and how they were reinforced, individually and culturally. If you recall, it reflects homophobic attitudes as well -- in the pretty boy with the fluttering hands and large-breasted wife who INSTITUTIONALIZED HIMSELF.

But more so than that... well, I've never seen the play, and it's been a long time since I read the book, but I seem to recall that NO ONE in that story was really "glorified." I guess in the sense of obtaining power in the context of the plot, perhaps, but there is a difference between a character obtaining power and a character being portrayed as a sympathetic or heroic individual. As I recall, there was very little of the latter.

Sexist characters in a sexist society do not a sexist story make. But if it troubled you so much... I believe it did EXACTLY what it was intended to do. And that is the mark of a really GOOD story.

But I don't really know if, in this production of the play at least, it was done consciously or not. To me it seemed a lot like McMurphy was being congratulated for taking the role of a man and asserting his masculinity when he constantly treated every woman around him as sex objects; it was seen as a positive thing when he convinced the others to follow his lead.

I'll agree that it's a great story, and it was a well-done production of the play, but even taking the context into account, and the possibility that the sexism was on purpose and all that, it still really squicked me hard.

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