[ SECRET POST #6692 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6692 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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06. [WARNING for discussion of Neil Gaiman and rape/sexual assault]

























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06. [WARNING for discussion of Neil Gaiman and rape/sexual assault]
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[(Anonymous)]

I loved the Sandman comics back in the day, so I get where you're coming from. It's so disappointing that Gaiman turned out to be so awful.

[(Anonymous)]

Is he getting profit from it? I could have sworn I heard something months ago about him voluntarily not getting any profit from his adapted works since the allegations came out. They’ve were signed over or something I thought.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

*They were not they’ve. Stupid autocorrect.

[(Anonymous)]

He owns part of the IP most likely? So he’d generate passive income from that if that’s the case.

[(Anonymous)]

In conjunction with the secret above this one (which is hardly original) it strikes me that I've never seen anyone proudly say THEY never thought Neil Gaiman was that great and never got the big deal about his books. Is it just because even though he was everywhere in fandom, his works were never quite mainstream and inescapable in meatspace like HP?

[(Anonymous)]

I have actually seen a bit of that, maybe especially about American Gods.

I even understand that reaction at some level. I do think it’s sometimes people who genuinely didn’t like the thing at the time and felt like they couldn’t say that without pushback. Some people are just rewriting their own history, of course. And I have a lot less sympathy for that.

[(Anonymous)]

I ONCE said that I didn't think he was that great of a person way back when Good Omens season 2 was announced, and even if I didn't name him or tag him, I got a ton of hate.

So I can see how people weren't keen to say they didn't like him in the past.

However, I've also seen quite a number of people going "Oh, but we should've seen the signs because of THIS" (usually the Caliope short story) and I go like... no, you didn't. First because writing about murder doesn't make you a murderer and second ... because when teh story was published AND when teh episode was aired... everyone was still lauding him as male ally #1

(I personally could never really get into his books, with the exception of Coraline, but I am not going to pretend he is not a good writer, just because he happens to be a horrible person)

[(Anonymous)]

Comment OP of this secret but not the JKR one here. I have seen people say that about Gaiman's work, but I think the extra loud dislike of HP comes from a combo of HP at its height being more ubiquitous than any of Gaiman's individual works over time, and that for so many (more) people, HP was what first got them into fandom, or reading for pleasure at all, so a lot of people were and are really defensive of HP on those grounds in ways that felt inescapable if you disliked or grew to dislike it.

Plus, while there were definitely people going around identifying very strongly with Delirium or Death, there wasn't a whole fandom/merchandizing blitz that made people, even relatively casual fans, identify with Gaiman's worldbuilding in the way the endless (but not Endless) merch and quizzes and so on encouraged people to wear HP House scarves and put "proud Ravenclaw" in their blog bio, or whatever.

And there are still people who haven't heard all the horrible details, or even anything at all, about Gaiman. Which is also true of JKR, especially for people who aren't LGBT+, in fandom, or in the UK, but less so; the Gaiman news is just over a year old and more awful stuff is still being discovered now (and Gaiman is still being a POS, but so is JKR.)

[(Anonymous)]

I've definitely seen people say that before AND after the allegations. You're never not going to hear that about a popular author, there's always someone who doesn't like [insert popular work here] for whatever reason. They definitely weren't as mainstream as HP, but prior to the allegations you had American Gods being adapted and broadening his audience even further. Then Good Omens had a very active and enthusiastic fandom and Gaiman got a LOT of praise and adoration for being so progressive about Crowley/Aziraphale, etc. etc. then Dead Boy Detectives was starting up. So while not as mainstream as HP, he was getting a lot of mainstream interest.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't like his books. He's not really mainstream so I never felt the urge to mention it. The only time it came up is when I talked about Good Omens. Terry Pratchett, now, that's what popular, people either hate his writing or love it. Gaiman is just... there. He has his aesthetic.

Btw not condemning him untill it's no longer just allegations. Cancel culture is crazy these days. What was the House of Cards actor who eneded up being innocent? Told you so, you vicious cancelling turds.

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen a lot of that. Also there is a bunch of people saying "I've always known that he is bad, look at this American God's plot point"

[(Anonymous)]

Oh no, I've seen so much of that. So much "he wasn't that great" and "you can tell from his books that he's a bad person" etc.

[(Anonymous)]

I honestly thought this new season coming out would make me sad, and I guess maybe once I've seen it, it will but at the moment I am still full of rage for Good Omens. At least Sandman didn't get fucked up before it was finished.

[(Anonymous)]

Comment OP here and no, Sandman definitely got fucked, although how much is Netflix being Netflix vs. the Gaiman news breaking and them going "fuck, do we cancel or just condense the remaining 90% down into one short season" is an open question, but they chose option 2.

I don't blame you if you're pissed at me for saying this, but I never watched season 2 of Good Omens, and with the Gaiman news I may never unless I get curious and bored and (despite having a Prime subscription that I'm planning to ditch soon because fuck Bezos) pirate it.

Because...

The entire book got adapted already! Season 2 and whatever truncated season 3 are optional extras to the book. There's even speculation that Gaiman's whole "I'm doing it for Terry, we always wanted to do this and it just never worked out" was another of Gaiman's self-serving lies, once Pratchett wasn't around to gainsay him.

If Gaiman was telling the truth that the Pratchett-planned South Downs cottage bits were always meant to go after a season 2-ish "God is missing and the angels are in charge" arc with a bonus romantic-feelings realization/confession for Aziraphale and Crowley, it sucks that any of Pratchett's original plans have Gaiman's stink all over them now.

I'm not a "that's not my Aziraphale and Crowley" fan, or a "they're not in love!" fan. I think they're cute together. I bought season 1 secondhand on DVD after the Gaiman news broke, but until then I'd only watched it twice, and I always figured season 2 and on were gonna be mostly or entirely Gaiman's thing.

I'm more of a Pratchett fan than a Gaiman one, but I love(d, my feelings are more ambivalent now) Sandman and own the hardcover doorstop omnibuses, some of Gaiman's other comics, a couple short fiction collections, and all of his novels. My first copy of Good Omens was bought back in the 90s and has mostly disintegrated.

I feel bad for show Good Omens fans getting shortchanged, but the Sandman show is basically gonna be the Cliff Notes version, plus the actors and creative team were working under a big "all our hard work is gonna be judged as rapist apologia" cloud for almost the entirety of filming season 2.

Idk, the whole thing sucks. Kind of wish Gaiman had been the one to die unjustly young and Pratchett was still around and healthy, and not only because some of Gaiman's victims would've been spared.