[ SECRET POST #1014 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1014 ⌋

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Notes:

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Comments

[inksmears]

I'm split 50/50 on this one. Yeah, he's a real douche for doing what he did and he needs to get in trouble somehow. He's also a sicko.

But the girls who sent him that stuff are fucking idiots and I feel zero sympathy for them.

Overall, everyone involved here were/are acting like morons.

[duowolf.livejournal.com]

Why the hell should he be punished for something other people chose to do? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[(Anonymous)]

He didn't hold em at gunpoint or anything. I think it was mutual skeeziness. I don't really respect either side of this one.

[zanzou-chan.livejournal.com]

LOL not a popular opinion yeah right.

They were all taking advantage of each other. TAKING ADVANTAGE ISN'T SOME CODE WORD FOR NON-CONSENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THOUGH. You take advantage of knowledge for a crazy sale-- great! I don't see how it's different. Each party got what they wanted out of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I think he's skeezy but in all fairness, he didn't exactly FORCE anyone into taking part. Stupid just comes back to bite you in the ass when you're old enough to regret sending a stranger (famous or otherwise) naked pics.

[(Anonymous)]

You just sound very young, anon. If you ever join the adult world, you'll find that this is commonplace behaviour between consenting adults. In the meantime, carry on clutching your pearls.

[(Anonymous)]

lol wut?

[(Anonymous)]

No.

[blossommorphine.livejournal.com]

Except that there were no minors, that was only a rumor that ontd_refuse started to cause wank.

Why does it have to be that Eli took advantage of his fans? Because the natural state of a women is not to be sexually aggresive, so obviously they must have been deluded fools? This hypocritical stance, that a women can neither be too sexually aggressive but also not too 'unavailable', is really showing just how much we still have to go in our society. Thse women made engaged in a sexual act of their own volition; they were not coerced, bribed, or had false promises made to them. Both sides just wanted to enjoy themselves in a manner they were comfortable with.

Again, this habit of judging other people for not comforing with one's own standards is just ridiculous.

[emilenshook.livejournal.com]

*applause*

[gethenian.livejournal.com]

I still don't even know who this guy IS other than "some dude who asked his fans for boob pics" but yeah... this is what I was going to come here to say. Only I probably wouldn't have done it as well.

[iteari.livejournal.com]

I've been wanting to say this ever since I heard about the whole thing. BRAVO!

It's pretty sad that it doesn't seem to occur to anyone that maybe the girls wanted to do it because they wanted to...? There is such a thing as a girl getting aroused after all yet no one seems to want to admit it. :(

[oflittlebrain.livejournal.com]

I wish I could 'like' this comment.

[duowolf.livejournal.com]

I agree so much with this.

[la-petite-singe.livejournal.com]

Oh, FFS. I'm not condoning sex between very young people and older people because I think oftentimes there's an imbalance of 'power;' etc, but in this case, it's really just a pointless technicality. How do you know that someone 17 is SO much less mature than someone 19? The rules are there for a reason and I think they're sensible to a degree, but pretending age alone determines responsibility and maturity is insane. I just cannot believe how Puritanical everyone's being about this, especially other ONTDers. The internet is full of people who lie and decieve in order to take advantage of others, and sometimes those people are legitimately dangerous. Eli's harmless, and he was completely upfront and honest about himself what he thought/felt about everything. It was all in good fun. I don't know how many times I'm gonna have to say this, because I'm gonna defend this shit to the death. I just have a weird feeling that if this were reversed and it was a bunch of young men sending semi-n00dz to an older female celebrity, somehow that would be seen totally differently. I'm just getting a real sense of misogyny in this wank. Since when are women not allowed to be overtly sexual, especially when it's their choice entirely and no one's getting hurt? I haven't heard a single person say they regretted sending photos or talking to him, not one. It was JUST A LAUGH. God.

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[blossommorphine.livejournal.com]

I feel you. People seem to believe a woman should strictly walk this line of not being too sexual but just enough not to be considered a "prude". Any woman who strays from this must obviously have some sort of metnal hang up. The misogynistic slut-shaming is simply appalling. But I disagree about what would happen if the genders were reversed; rather, people would ask what a female celebrity did to warrant such action. D:

[(Anonymous)]

...I'm seriously tired of not knowing what this is about. What happened?

[(Anonymous)]

OP, YOU are a misogynist and an asshole and an imbecile.

[poisontea.livejournal.com]

God, you and the holier-than-thou assholes acting like Roth is an asshole who needs PUNISHED, that the girls are idiotic sluts, or both are completely sickening. Glad to see that if girls decide to have meaningless sexual fun they need to be derided for being ~impure~, and a guy who didn't even solicit for naked pictures, much less force or offer rewards for them, is suddenly a horrible disgusting douchebag for... enjoying it when girls send him naked pictures voluntarily! Obviously meaning for him to enjoy it! Oh noes, something SICK is going on here!

Except no. A bunch of women decided to go "OMG, HEY, YOU'RE HOT, I WANT YOU TO SEE ME NAKED." There is nothing wrong with that. At all. And the guy responds with "lol awesome YOU NAKED WOMEN ARE HOT, UNF" and suddenly he's so horrible for... enjoying the sexuality of women who are choosing, of their own fucking free will FOR FUN, to make themselves sexually available to him to some extent. This is a major sicko crime apparently! Consenting adults are doing something openly sexual without pretending it's anything more than just screwing around for a night for fun!

Grow up.

[that-evening.livejournal.com]

Personally, I imagined it was more along the lines of bored house wives, but I could be wrong.

If any of the girls were CLEARLY minors, like he could tell right away by looking at the pics, and he replied and encouraged it? Then, yep, a skeeze. But for the stuff between consenting adults..... I just don't get the big deal. He's a man, he's good looking (open for dispute since everyone has different tastes, of course) and he's famous. I'm sure 99.999 percent of the men who fit that label are fucking groupies and every actress wannabe and bragging like all hell about it to people. He just did his online.

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone was consenting, I don't see the big deal. I can't believe how uptight people are being about this, it's not like tits are the most sacred objects in the world.

I don't care about power imbalance either, if it makes these girls HAPPY to send nudie pics to a celeb and have him reply with "you're hot", I don't see the problem. It's not like he was sneakily coercing them into having sex when they really didn't want to.

Everyone who sent a picture WANTED ELI ROTH TO SEE THEM NAKED. Keep in mind the man has filmed sex scenes for movies, and he's sexy and rich, so it's not like he needs to take advantage of poor unknowing internet girls to get tit pics. They were having a good time and no one was sneaky or malicious.

[(Anonymous)]

HE took advantage of THEM? More like THEY took advantage of HIM! They lived the dream! They're some of the luckiest fangirls on record! The people who're crushing on anime characters will never know their joy!

...I cry alone.

[(Anonymous)]

Holy fuck, how long are people going to go on about this?