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⌈ Secret Post #6751 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I agree with you, but I also think the "if people were willing to kick loose" is a big "if" and a big part of the current situation. I don't know if you're aware, but you might have missed several rounds of discourse over the past few years where people attacked "futanari" and "G!P" as being gross fetishizations of trans women's bodies, and same for "boypussy" with trans men's bodies (although I think futa and G!P got the worst of it). Like, I know people who still see red when they see something tagged with "futa" and treat it basically like a transphobic slur...

In that environment, then yeah, no one is going to be tagging their boypussy/girldick fic with porn trope names. Out of respect, they're going to say "this character is trans" instead, because that's the polite and respectful way to label the content and it's seen as less outright bigoted and transphobic.

I really wish we had decided on a porn trope vs. realistic trope split, the way that "noncon" is a rape porn trope while "rape fic" indicates serious treatment of rape in a fictional story, or "watersports" and "piss kink" are urine-but-sexy while just "pee" or "urination" is for urine-related content that is mundane/non-smutty. It should have been the case that futanari, G!P, girldick, boypussy, etc. indicated body parts used in a kinky way for smut, while labeling something as trans fic was a more grounded depiction of trans characters. HOWEVER, we are like 2+ rounds of discourse past that decision point at this point, and fandom has in the past indicated an unwillingness to just let people own their kink and openly label kinkfic as being kinkfic. Now people need a "this is a respectful depiction of trans characters; trans representation is important to me" type label on their kinkfic in order to not be hounded out of fandom.

I don't know, maybe we're due for a backlash to the backlash and people will (1) want ways to filter out porny/fetishy vs. realistic treatments of trans characters (and so push for separate labels again), AND CRUCIALLY, (2) leave people alone when they write their fetishy and correctly-tagged girldick/boypussy smut and not hound them for transphobia (if people are not willing to do this, then no amount of persuasion or alternate tagging system proposals will get people to start using a different set of labels for their smutfic).

And you also have to realize that part of why people object so much to trans anatomy being involved in fetishy smut is because one of the most common lines of attack on trans people is that crossdressing and pretending to be a man/woman is simply a sexual kink that "trans" people get off on and not actually a gender identity. So obviously trans people get their hackles up when someone labels fic with women with penises or men with pussies as being just somebody's kink, even if some fic featuring those elements IS often just somebody's kink (not necessarily trans people's but certainly could be trans people's too!). You can see why trans people would get nervous whenever they write trans fetish porn or engage with it in any way because they know they're playing into a "'trans' people are actually just people with male bodies who get sexually aroused by being a woman" narrative, which gets stretched into "trans women are actually male predators who sexualize (prey on) women" which is a very dangerous but common leap of logic and one that puts trans women in danger. Even though you might think it's innocuous for cis or trans people to like girldick or boypussy porn as a kink, wider transphobic and sex-/kink-negative society really really does not think it's OK to have that kink and will conflate it with a theory about sexuality that conflates transgenderism with autogynephilia and use it as a weapon against trans people. Fanfic tagging does not take place in a political vacuum, and even if fandom is extremely trans and pro-LGBT and largely insulated from the bigotries of wider society, we are not divorced entirely from that context.

I don't know if tagging girldick/boypussy kink as "Trans Character" is the right solution, but it at least has the effect of openly acknowledging transness and that being trans is a legit thing you can be, which is understandably more reassuring than tagging it with a porn trope that does not actually avow that transgenderism is a thing that exists and is a trait you're willing to give your favorite character. So you can see why trans people would feel more at ease when people writing trans kink fic explicitly tag it with "Trans Character" rather than an ambiguous porn label?

In other words: it is complicated. I also don't see it changing soon, not when trans people are under such attack in the U.S., UK, and other places.

[(Anonymous)]

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This was a helpful breakdown. But I think if people arm-twisted other fans into labeling stories "trans" when the whole point of some character having the opposite sex's genitalia there was writing erotica, that's really counterproductive to casual readers seeing a difference between transness and sexual objectification. It really does not seem like a tactically reasonable default to hunker down into, and justify by pointing to conservative backlash.