[ SECRET POST #6751 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6751 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

In before transphobia accusations

But yeah lots of trans stuff is an excuse for boypussy and girldick -- things trans people don't even necessarily have -- especially when it's really obviously only there to allow f/f and m/m PIV sex and nothing is even relevant to being trans

Nothing wrong with trans aus, cuntboys, or dickgirls, they're not the same thing tho

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing wrong with trans aus, cuntboys, or dickgirls, they're not the same thing tho

A thousand times this.

[philstar22]

Those are two separate things, though? At least, girls with dicks is a whole separate kink in the PWP world.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's OPs point, that in some fandoms stuff that's obviously cuntboys or dickgirls is labeled as trans inaccurately, or only have trans included in there to physically allow for PIV sex not to touch on gender at all

[(Anonymous)]

That's the point. So many people say they want trans fic and then complain about them (looking at you OP from the top surgery secret a few posts ago) when what they really want is boypussy or girldick. They are totally different things but people don't acknowledge that.

[(Anonymous)]

People don't admit this because it gets them yelled at for "Why are you fetishizing trans people, just have trans headcanons!"

As a trans woman myself, I want my trans-whoever fics to be actually good, written by someone who's writing trans-whoever cause they think it's a cool idea, not out of obligation.

[(Anonymous)]

FUCKING YES. Thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000000000

[(Anonymous)]

...Futanari is one of the more popular weird ones tho??? Like. Insanely popular. And not the same thing as trans women.

[(Anonymous)]

I was gonna say, futanari is incredibly popular, and if you go to East Asian fandoms cuntboys are a big thing as well. I don’t think people owning their kinks would make it less popular at all and in fact we’d see more.

[feotakahari]

I’ve both made and participated in this argument on FS in years past, and all I can say at this point is “it doesn’t change.” Both old and recent stories have this style of “trans woman” character who’s basically just a futa. I guess the concept appeals to some people more than any complaints push them away from it. And TBF, it’s not just wanting futas. Some people wish they were futas.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't that the point though? If "basically futa" and people owned the kink and tagged it futa then nobody would have issues with futa and trans woman being used interchangeably when they're not the same thing. It's a labeling thing: futa tags increase, trans woman tags decrease, nobody said to stop producing or enjoying the works?

[(Anonymous)]

Chase Strangio says “a penis is not a male body part. It’s just an unusual body part for a woman.” And I do not agree with him.

[tabaqui]

I think most everyone, fandom or no, could use a lot more 'own your kinks' and a lot less of trying to justify shite so they can pretend it's NOT a kink (Whedon springs to mind).

Just...own it!

[(Anonymous)]

where are people finding all of this trans fic? I keep seeing secrets complaining about trans headcanon content being stereotypical fetish fuel. Meanwhile, the only trans fics I'm coming across in the fandoms I'm in are written by like... two or three trans guys.

I mean, mercifully it's NOT just boypussy fetish stuff, but like... what fandoms have all these boy pussies?

[(Anonymous)]

There's a fair amount in the MDZS/Untamed fandoms

[(Anonymous)]

I am not in these fandoms and can't attest personally to their accuracy, but someone mentioned Vash from Trigun above and IIRC we've had a secret or two here about how people are tired of every fic being surprise boypussy. That one anon that is in the Sonic fandom also mentioned there being a lot there.

Beyond that, keep in mind AU and headcanon is not only fic and not only slash. Tons of futa and dickgirl art and comics being tagged as "trans woman" when it's really not and nobody is trans and it's just girls with dicks or fantasy hermaphrodites is an old an annoying issue. Stroll over to art sites and I'm sure you'll find plenty of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I have never made one of the (many many many) complaining-about-transfic secrets here (honestly, I don't care about all the transfic in my fandom -- it's fine), but since you asked, one fandom I'm in that has a lot of trans fic is Star Trek DS9. Garak/Bashir is the biggest pairing, and FTM Julian is a very common headcanon and shows up in smut where it's mostly used for PIV sex. Relatedly, it is very common for people to use alien headcanons to essentially give male alien characters both a regular-sized dick (if needed) and a self-lubricating hole. I've seen it used commonly for Garak to also facilitate PIV sex with Garak bottoming. Also very common to give a very similar biology headcanon to Ferengi or Vorta characters to have Quark or Weyoun bottoming with a self-lubricating hole. So yeah, there are many boy pussies in my fandom...

[(Anonymous)]

I am for some reason lately get into various RPFs (youtubers, bands etc) and there are a lot of trans!headcanons and fics. There isn't a lot of kink kind of fics, because people somehow okay with writing their favourite slashing his wrists about being trans, but not okay with writing sex.

[(Anonymous)]

There was a great series in Hobbit fandom some of the dwarf women had dicks and vaginas and it was the fucking best series ever.

Sometime I just want the kink without all the omega /alpha stuff and trans is a seperate genre.

Just give me a woman with a dick and a pussy for some magic bullshit reasons and.. seriously any recs?

[(Anonymous)]

And never forget that slapping a vagina on guys and making them FtM who bottom can help people avoid writing icky anal that they find gross and disgusting! At the same time they can get the progressive badge of honour for writing a character whose transness is only shown in the genitalia, no other gender discussion or exploration needs to happen because as long as it is sexy nobody notices their thinly veiled homophobia!

Feels like 'Trans' is just a way for people to write A/B/O and not tag it.

[(Anonymous)]

Tagging for 'Trans' kinda feels wrong, like tagging for 'Slash' back in the day did.

But similarly, I want the characters I'm reading about to have the equipment I expect them too, and that's why I've avoided the ABO tags too.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I agree with you, but I also think the "if people were willing to kick loose" is a big "if" and a big part of the current situation. I don't know if you're aware, but you might have missed several rounds of discourse over the past few years where people attacked "futanari" and "G!P" as being gross fetishizations of trans women's bodies, and same for "boypussy" with trans men's bodies (although I think futa and G!P got the worst of it). Like, I know people who still see red when they see something tagged with "futa" and treat it basically like a transphobic slur...

In that environment, then yeah, no one is going to be tagging their boypussy/girldick fic with porn trope names. Out of respect, they're going to say "this character is trans" instead, because that's the polite and respectful way to label the content and it's seen as less outright bigoted and transphobic.

I really wish we had decided on a porn trope vs. realistic trope split, the way that "noncon" is a rape porn trope while "rape fic" indicates serious treatment of rape in a fictional story, or "watersports" and "piss kink" are urine-but-sexy while just "pee" or "urination" is for urine-related content that is mundane/non-smutty. It should have been the case that futanari, G!P, girldick, boypussy, etc. indicated body parts used in a kinky way for smut, while labeling something as trans fic was a more grounded depiction of trans characters. HOWEVER, we are like 2+ rounds of discourse past that decision point at this point, and fandom has in the past indicated an unwillingness to just let people own their kink and openly label kinkfic as being kinkfic. Now people need a "this is a respectful depiction of trans characters; trans representation is important to me" type label on their kinkfic in order to not be hounded out of fandom.

I don't know, maybe we're due for a backlash to the backlash and people will (1) want ways to filter out porny/fetishy vs. realistic treatments of trans characters (and so push for separate labels again), AND CRUCIALLY, (2) leave people alone when they write their fetishy and correctly-tagged girldick/boypussy smut and not hound them for transphobia (if people are not willing to do this, then no amount of persuasion or alternate tagging system proposals will get people to start using a different set of labels for their smutfic).

And you also have to realize that part of why people object so much to trans anatomy being involved in fetishy smut is because one of the most common lines of attack on trans people is that crossdressing and pretending to be a man/woman is simply a sexual kink that "trans" people get off on and not actually a gender identity. So obviously trans people get their hackles up when someone labels fic with women with penises or men with pussies as being just somebody's kink, even if some fic featuring those elements IS often just somebody's kink (not necessarily trans people's but certainly could be trans people's too!). You can see why trans people would get nervous whenever they write trans fetish porn or engage with it in any way because they know they're playing into a "'trans' people are actually just people with male bodies who get sexually aroused by being a woman" narrative, which gets stretched into "trans women are actually male predators who sexualize (prey on) women" which is a very dangerous but common leap of logic and one that puts trans women in danger. Even though you might think it's innocuous for cis or trans people to like girldick or boypussy porn as a kink, wider transphobic and sex-/kink-negative society really really does not think it's OK to have that kink and will conflate it with a theory about sexuality that conflates transgenderism with autogynephilia and use it as a weapon against trans people. Fanfic tagging does not take place in a political vacuum, and even if fandom is extremely trans and pro-LGBT and largely insulated from the bigotries of wider society, we are not divorced entirely from that context.

I don't know if tagging girldick/boypussy kink as "Trans Character" is the right solution, but it at least has the effect of openly acknowledging transness and that being trans is a legit thing you can be, which is understandably more reassuring than tagging it with a porn trope that does not actually avow that transgenderism is a thing that exists and is a trait you're willing to give your favorite character. So you can see why trans people would feel more at ease when people writing trans kink fic explicitly tag it with "Trans Character" rather than an ambiguous porn label?

In other words: it is complicated. I also don't see it changing soon, not when trans people are under such attack in the U.S., UK, and other places.

[(Anonymous)]

IDK, I see where you're coming from, and I often get annoyed by it because if I'm looking for trans porn I often want it about people who are dealing with dysphoria around their birth genitals, and that's few and far between these days. But in the fandom I currently see it the most in, it reads to me less as a fetish thing and mostly as fans who identify with a character wanting porn where that character has their genitals. Some if it's cis female slash fans who find m/m hotter in theory but PIV (or f/f) hotter in practice. (Or who want that kind of porn in a fandom with almost no canon female characters without having to deal with gender shit or people telling them always-a-girl au fic is homophobic.)

(I also get annoyed because it's often written especially in sff canons as if that person was never assigned a different gender than their current one. In which case. What are they transing.)

But a lot of it feels like people who are early in a gender journey, who are likely only out online and have no dreams of ever medically transitioning, giving themselves a break. They aren't going to be able to write a "fully trans character" from experience - but they are still going to value the fantasy of getting to have sex where their genitals don't define their gender and it's not an issue.