[ SECRET POST #6755 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6755 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[X-files/Inside Reagan]



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04. [OP warned for discussion of menstruation, not sure if that merits a general content warning, but here's a note]




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05. [WARNING for discussion of abortion]

[The Alters]



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06. [WARNING for discussion of transphobia/JKR]






















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #965.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, bad choice of words. It’s a clone, so it’s not really a newborn or a fetus, but it’s never awakened after being created and never has conscious thoughts before you harvest its brain for medical reasons. (There’s a secret path where you can make it, then refuse to kill it and wake it up, but I have no idea why you would do that.)

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Hm, well the idea of creating a life on purpose in order to kill it and harvest its organs, even if it's for someone who needs an organ donor, still seems like a very different ethical problem than creating a life inside another person and then aborting it because it endangers the pregnant person's life or was never wanted to begin with.

Is it presented as a moral dilemma in the game only on the grounds that the clone has a soul and that's why killing it would be wrong? I guess I could see the problem if you squint, but on the other hand, proposing that killing would be wrong actually reflects the bodily autonomy argument used by pro-choice advocates. The argument that bodily autonomy even extends to corpses, and that's why you need to opt in to being an organ donor in the case of your accidental death. Otherwise, they can't take your organs and give them to someone who needs them even if that means that person will die, because you didn't consent. So for consistency's sake, a fetus should not be allowed to remain in your body without your consent even if that means the fetus will die. The hypothetical clone is unable to consent to its organs being harvested, so by the bodily autonomy logic of pro-choice ideals, it should be kept alive. I am pro-choice and I believe it would be ideally wrong to create clones to harvest for that reason.

On the same note I think it would be wrong to create a fetus and grow it in someone's uterus for the purpose to aborting it and harvesting its organs, because by the time it would be viable enough to have organs a person could use, it's a life that should only be terminated if keeping alive it would endanger the parent.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

To expand on the last paragraph, I mean if the person decides they don't want to be pregnant anymore at that point, a fetus with viable organs could be removed from the uterus via c-section and kept alive so abortion is not a safe or logical option at that stage.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Sounds more like an attack on disability rights than abortion rights.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I can see where the similarity would be off-putting, and obviously fiction doesn't have to go into rl issues that would arise with scifi or fantasy plots irl, but my understanding is that if someone actually tried this, especially growing a clone into an adult and then killing them and harvesting their organs, a lot of the organs and especially the brain would be fucked up. So many developmental milestones only happen as a growing human or animal interacts with the world and other members of its species, moves through space, etc.

Like, I'm pretty sure even absent death by bedsores and wasting, an adult human clone who never woke or spoke before being killed and dismembered would have a brain incapable of learning to speak or understand language.

Even fetuses don't develop normally if, say, the person gestating them is braindead or comatose on a respirator.

But yeah, in a fictional context "does a clone have a soul" doesn't interest me. "Does a clone have a right to exist as their own person and not be used as an organ chop shop" is more interesting.