[ SECRET POST #6784 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6784 ⌋

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[Zootopia and Kung fu panda]



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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

So they hate each other, barely tolerate at best when it is useful or necessary, have almost constant arguments, and leave chaos in their wake...

...sure sounds like every actual family on my street to be honest.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah but the point of "found family" is that unrelated people come together in the ways of an idealised family unit (often with the added "the family they never had" bonus). Not "look, these people are only together because of blood ties, otherwise they would hate each other". The found family trope is the polar opposite of that.

[iff_and_xor]

I’m not sure I agree. I think I’d still use “found family” for people who are bound together by some events that render them forever entwined at some level, even if they don’t particularly like each other. But I haven’t thought through a strict definition that I like yet.

And you didn’t say this, but I see lots of other people getting pretty literal about the “family unit” side of things. I strongly believe that “found family” doesn’t have to map cleanly to normal family structures.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen the movie, but I will say that "found family" is slapped onto any group of people who halfway get along these days (and even some that don't). Coworkers or teammates does not a family automatically make.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

The term has lost all meaning for me in a fandom context because it's applied in the most bizarre ways, or people slap it onto a group who fight crime/baddies together and like, that's not what it is either. Sometimes a group of enjoyable weirdos are just that without being 'family' to one another.

It's one of those terms that has a very specific context irl and in fandom it gets applied far too broadly for it to mean anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Most in canon are not found family but the fanfiction usually is.

[kaijinscendre]

MCU fans love making coworkers that tolerate each other into found family. I say this as someone who read many, many fanfics for it.

[(Anonymous)]

I think people are latching on to the very obvious found family potential. Potential is what fandom loves, it doesn't always have to be accurate to canon.

[iff_and_xor]

Eh. I mean, I agree with anon above that some of it is about the potential that fans see in the characters and their relationships.

But at the very least, it feels weird to call Yelena and Alexei or Yelena and Bob “coworkers”. One is clearly familial (if only because of artificial circumstances) and the other is intimate in a way I find hard to classify.

Yelena and Ava and John all do fall into more of a “reluctant coworker” dynamic, I think. I’d have loved the movie to have spent some more time on connecting Ava and John to the other characters more thoroughly.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with this. Are they a dysfunctional family? Sure, but the entire point of the movie is that all of them are alone and none of them want to be alone and the only people who tolerate them are those other losers they went through this huge traumatizing event with and now they're just gonna be checking up on each other forever cause they bonded on that deep level. That to me, is the definition of found family.

It's also interesting to me, because the movie could have easily gone the romantic route for Yelena and Bob and gone 'all he really needed is a woman to save him and fix him' but they didn't, Yelena didn't save him, she couldn't snap him out of the void, they all did together. Because he didn't need one person, he needed a community, a family to understand him no matter how weird and dark he got. Once again, that to me is what family is all about, especially found family.

Though I certainly agree that they could have done better in connecting Ava and John to the others. As someone who watched the movie in huge parts for Ava, I was a bit disappointed by her mostly just... being there. But I am glad that it made canon that she is at least still alive, I'm glad about that cause I was worried after Endgame.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Thunderbolts* is supposed to be the start of them making connections with each other, not the end of the process. Even in Avengers, they didn't feel like friends, to me at least, until the Shawarma end credits scene. And they didn't feel like close friends until Age of Ultron.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never felt they were particularly close, nor friends, frankly.