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[ SECRET POST #1040 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1040 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
101.
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102.
[That Guy With the Glasses]
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103.
[Doctor Who]
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104.
[Hetalia/Say Anything]
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105.
[Tekkonkinkreet]
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106.
[Persona 3 and 4]
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107.
[Iron Man Armoured Adventures]
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108.
[Julia Nunes/Jake/Amir]
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109.
[Where the Wild Things Are]
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110.
[Zeta Gundam]
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111.
[Supernatural]
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112.
[500 Days of Summer]
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113.
[The Jungle Book]
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114.
[Kal Ho Naa Ho, Amélie]
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115.
[Eli Roth/Blueberries/Inglorious Basterds]
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116.
[Supernatural]
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117.
[Heroes]
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118.
[X-Factor]
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119.
[V (2009)]
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120.
[Lackadaisy]
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121.
[Battlestar Galactica]
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122.
[Arrested Development]
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123.
[Star Trek XI]
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124.
[Supernatural, Heroes]
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125.
[iCarly]
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126.
[Gorillaz]
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127.
[Gundam 00]
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128.
[The Spoony Experiment/That Guy With the Glasses]
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129.
[Rocky Horror Picture Show]
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130.
[Giftpia/Captain Rainbow]
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131.
[The Twelve Kingdoms]
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132.
[Mina and the Count]
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133.
[Drake and Josh]
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134.
[Newsies, Sloan]
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135.
[Cillian Murphy & Liam Neeson]
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136.
[Rachel Leigh Cook]
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137.
[Glee/Apollo Justice]
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138.
[Drake and Josh]
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139.
[Mad Men]
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140.
[Haley Joel Osment]
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141.
[SMT III: Nocturne]
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142.
[Girl Genius]
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143.
[Ghostbusters]
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144.
[Zombieland]
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145.
[Thomas Kretschmann & Adrien Brody]
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146.
[My Girl]
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147.
[Rivers Cuomo/Sara Bareilles ]
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148.
[there she is]
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149.
[Sherlock Holmes]
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150.
[Utena]
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151.
[Flash Forward]
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152.
[Team Fortress 2]
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153.
[Michael Buble]
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154.
[Steve Winwood/Val Kilmer]
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155.
[NCIS]
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156.
[Tim Kring, Heroes]
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157.
[My Life As A Teenage Robot]
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158.
[The Joker Blogs]
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159.
[Moulin Rouge]
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160.
[The Tudors]
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161.
[World of Quest]
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162.
[Star Trek: Voyager]
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163.
[NCIS]
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164.
[Wrestling]
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165.
[Alex Rider: Stormbreaker]
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166.
[McLeod's Daughters]
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167.
[merlin/kaamelott]
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168.
[Heard]
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169.
[Buffy, Torchwood and Firefly]
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170.
[Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends/Cartoon Network Fusion Fall]
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171.
[The Mighty Boosh]
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172.
[Flashforward]
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173.
[Heroes/Torchwood/The Dark Knight]
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174.
[Billy Bibbit/Angela Orosco]
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175.
[Eastwick]
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176.
[Fefe Dobson & Michael Seater]
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177.
[MouseHunt/Avatar: The Last Airbender]
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178.
[flight of the conchords]
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179.
[Letter Bee]
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180.
[Dragnet]
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181.
[Simon Schama]
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182.
[Cirque du Freak, Doctor Who]
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183.
[Hurt]
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184.
[Welcome to Dongmakgol]
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185.
[Inspector Lewis/Laurence Fox/Alan Rickman]
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186.
[Bleach/V for Vendetta]
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187.
[The Dresden Files]
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188.
[stay]
Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 12 pages, 282 secrets from Secret Submission Post #149.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - why don't you check the comm you listed as the fandom? ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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Eurgh. I want anyone who thinks Sam is evil to go back and rewatch every episode with Sam in them. Sam can be callous. Sam can be frustrating. Sam is human and wonderfully so. How anyone can consider the guy from Faith to be evil, I've no idea. Even in S4, he wasn't evil! Prideful and misguided, sure, but evil? Good grief. You find anyone calling him evil, please direct me to them - I'll gladly meta debate that concept!
I think you and I have different ideas of Dean and Sam's characters, which is probably why we got off on a wrong foot before. :) IMHO, Sam is very much his own person, albeit somewhat lost and uncertain in S1. Dean, in contrast, has been shown to want other things than hunting but to think he either didn't deserve them or would fail at them. He specifically asked Sam if they could stop hunting in S2 and talked about how tired he was of all of it in Croatoan. His "wish" in 2x20 was for a normal life with a normal girlfriend, his normal mother, and normal job. And he was happy with it, until he realized that so many people would have died if he were selfish enough to want these things for himself. We learned in Skins too that he was jealous that Sam had managed to get out because that's what he really wanted for himself as well, but thought that he was too much of a freak to succeed and that John needed him too much to leave.
Dean's also never had the confidence that Sam had in terms of self confidence. Dean's self esteem is incredibly shaky - much of his confidence is blustering. It's not that he's manfully putting on a strong facade while secretly weeping into his Wheaties each morning, but there's a reason Bobby called him out on it in 2x22. We saw it again in S3, during that dreamroot episode when demon!Dean confronted him with it and S4 saw what little confidence that he'd managed to scrap together to be absolutely shattered in 4x16.
Yes, in S2, he may have "choose" hunting, but that was out of responsibility for failing to keep the hellgate closed.
Mm, the Hell Gate was opened at the end of S2 and Sam chose to continue hunting long before that. IMHO, Sam went back to hunting in S1 to kill the YED. He didn't have to do so; he knew that John and Dean were hunting the demon. It's in Sam's nature though to seek revenge. (Again - an incredibly human desire!) By S2, I think he wanted to keep hunting because he was worried about turning evil and so wanted to try and redeem himself ahead of time. "I can't turn evil if I spend all my time saving people!" and that sort of thing.
The reasons that you give are why I feel so much for Sam. Dean lost a lot, but outside of Hell, Sam has definitely lost more because he knows what it's like to have that normal life and then to have it wrenched away. Dean remembers losing his childhood at age four, but Sam remembers losing his adult life at age 22. It's kinda ying and yang in what they've lost, almost.
The idea that Sam will never be more than a sidekick is incredibly depressing and I'll have to disagree with you on it. D: IMHO, they're both in equal danger of losing everything that they are if they give in to Michael and Lucifer, but there's nothing to me indicating that they can't equally push past that and kick ass going forward.
Trust me, if the end comes down to Sam sitting on the sidelines while Dean and Castiel save the day, I'll be pissed. I want the series to end with Sam managing to collect his life again and to find something he really wants to do. Maybe not law, but something that he'll love and that he can be successful in. IMHO, he selected law - and I think was something like tax law, even - because it was as far from hunting as he could find. I want to see Sam all grown up and standing on his own. I want him to be happy because I think he's had precious little of that in his life. I just want the same thing for Dean as well, you know?