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fandomsecrets2009-11-17 06:18 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2009-11-17 06:18 pm
[ SECRET POST #1047 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1047 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
101.
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102.
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103.
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104.
[Evil Dead]
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105.
[Bill Nye The Science Guy]
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106.
[Doctor Who]
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107.
[Tipping the Velvet]
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108.
[True Blood]
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109.
[Sons of Anarchy]
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110.
[Supernatural]
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111.
[Jensen Ackles, Danneel Harris]
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112.
[Nate Ruess/The Format/Fun]
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113.
[I Love You Phillip Morris]
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114.
[Red Dwarf / Mighty Boosh]
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115.
[90210 / The L Word]
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116.
[Animal Crossing]
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117.
[Helen Mirren]
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118.
[Vocaloid - Toeto]
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119.
[Where The Heart Is]
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120.
[Pushing Daisies]
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121.
[High School Musical 3]
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122.
[Pokemon]
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123.
[Criminal Minds/Glee]
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124.
[V]
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125.
[Doctor Who, Avatar, Naruto, Firefly/Serenity, NCIS, Push, Repo]
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126.
[Zelda CD-i]
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127.
[Dexter]
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128.
[Gamer]
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129.
[The World Ends with You]
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130.
[The Black Donnellys, Kings, House, Cloverfield]
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131.
[Time Hollow]
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132.
[Legend of the Seeker]
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133.
[Meryl Streep/Jane Lynch/Glee]
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134.
[Scrubs]
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135.
[Alias Comics]
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136.
[Torchwood]
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137.
[Torchwood/Good Omens]
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138.
[Morning Musume]
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139.
[Marieke Hardy]
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140.
[Scrubs]
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141.
[Francesco Borromini/Giovanni Lorenzo Bernini]
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142.
[X-Factor]
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143.
[The Mentalist]
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144.
[Tim Roth/Jack Roth]
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145.
[Tales of The Abyss]
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146.
[Beavis and Butthead & Inglorious Basterds]
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147.
[Sophie's World/Giant Robo: The Day The Earth Stood Still]
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148.
[Phoenix Wright (Ace Attorney)/ Ryū Sasakura (Bartender)]
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149.
[Neopets: The Darkest Faerie]
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150.
[Josie Lawrence]
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151.
[Matthew Bomer/Zachary Quinto/Lee Pace]
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152.
[Flash Forward]
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153.
[Joyce and Walky]
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154. [SPOILERS for Pokemon D&P Adventure]
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155. [SPOILERS for Pokemon]
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156. [SPOILERS for Harry Potter]
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157. [SPOILERS for Glee]
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158. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]
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159. [SPOILERS for Jennifer's Body]
[Jennifer's Body, Supernatural]
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160. [SPOILERS for Umineko no Naku Koro Ni]
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161. [SPOILERS for The Lost Battalion]
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162. [SPOILERS for Heroes]
[Heroes/Chrono Trigger]
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163. [SPOILERS for Persona 3 Portable]
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164. [SPOILERS for Uncharted 2]
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165. [SPOILERS for Pokemon]
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166. [SPOILERS for Kara no Kyoukai]
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167. [SPOILERS for Something But They Didn't Tell Me What]
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168. [SPOILERS for Orphan]
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169. [SPOILERS for YuGiOh! 5D's]
Notes:
THIS goes into effect starting with Submissions Post 151, as secrets were posted before the poll went up last week.
Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 275 secrets from Secret Submission Post #150.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - take it to comments ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Er, original OP but not secret!OP?
(Anonymous) 2009-11-18 03:36 am (UTC)(link)the thousands of years that he spent pretty much as a drone really are extremely meaningful and necessary to understand his character. He's not human and expecting him to just be able to throw off what had been his literal reason for being, especially when to question was to rebel, and to rebel was to be like Lucifer, seems unfair to me.
I agree. Add that to him being completely alone of his species, he'd be twice as stiff and fumbling. He'd burned his bridges and his existence was ruled by obedience. Anna is gone, and Dean is human: he has literally no one who can understand what he's going through right now. He doesn't have his own Sam/Dean to make the journey bearable.
I've heard people complain that he gets too much of an excuse for his behavior because he's not human
I also agree with this strongly. He does not get a free pass, and he does not have the moral high ground to be the authority, which he thinks he does.
He's not perfect and definitely makes mistakes.
*I* knows this, and agree. Much of it is that the fans really have ruined Castiel for me. Before I re-entered fandom after getting caught up I enjoyed and was intrigued by him, but the pillar fandom put him on and refusing accept his faults as anything other than 'awwwww' just. Turned me off to the point it's bled over into when I see Castiel on the show, which saddens me, because I have *never* had this happen to me before (where fandom affected how I see a character). Between that, horribly inconsistent writing on angel nature (host selection for instance, and the difference between 4.01 and 4.20 and 5.01), and shitty writing to use the character as a bad joke (much of 5.03), I...eurgh. Killing a child is not cute, fandom, no matter how guilty he felt doing it! Yes, I want him to answer for letting Sam out with the intent that Sam would let Lucifer rise, or at least get to Ruby and enable his addiction and blow up the remaining threads between Heaven's Chosen, Dean, and his brother, until Michael!Dean eventually killed Sam, which was more or less Zachariah's ominous plan. I suspect Sam might even have already put together that an angel, not necessarily Castiel, let him out after he saw the full truth. He was already suspicious of how he got out of a demon room in 4.21. However, he probably sees that night as his choice to leave, crazy and detoxing though he was, and doesn't bother to correct Dean thinking Ruby bust him out. If he *has* suspected Castiel, from the tension in 5.06, again, he probably feels that he doesn't want to make waves with someone Dean currently trusts and Sam's already shown he'll clutch at allies for the war.
As far as death, what the eff *is* death for an angel? Humans have souls, but so far as we know SPN-biblical canon is still consistent that humans are special to this and angels are not.
Supernatural is the show that glossed over the huge conversation where Sam discovered that Dean broke the first seal, after all
And the stupid voice mail, where Dean thinks Sam rejected his olive branch, and Sam thinks Dean could actually hunt him, feeding his paranoia Dean's love has always been conditional at best and only tied into loyalty to John.
especially since Castiel refusing would have meant that he couldn't have released Dean in 4x22 and Zachariah would just have sent someone else to open the door for Sam anyway.
This falls flat for me. That Castiel was 'only a victim of circumstance' does not give him ample wiggle room to be let off.