[ SECRET POST #6920 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6920 ⌋

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I might finally watch Yuri!!! On Ice now that the western fandom for it has long since died down


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[fscom]

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Fandom mostly means well, but...

[(Anonymous)]

This is often true of all debates about representation and diversity in media:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good

Asian POC, so I know what you mean. Not all of the early Asian characters that popped up in media were well written, and they didn't always transcend the stereotypes well. But they were there, and I appreciated the effort as well as the actors who played those roles. Sometimes the start of a journey is messy, but it's an ongoing process and I think that's a good thing.

Re: Fandom mostly means well, but...

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I think there's sometimes a big backlash to early attempts at inclusivity, which often lets the media that didn't even bother to try off the hook.

Re: Fandom mostly means well, but...

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I think it's ongoing. Every POC character gets a crazy degree of scrutiny from some segments of fandom and really, nothing can bear up against that.

Re: Fandom mostly means well, but...

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, they really do. Everyone will look really closely at them and if you look that hard, you can probably find something that could be interpreted as wrong. A lot of the problem is that everyone has a different opinion on what's problematic and what's not. To one person, it's a stereotype, while to another person, it feels like authentic representation.

And then, let's be honest, there are some people who will reach and stretch to find something they can complain about. Often times those people won't even be a part of the group that's being represented.

Re: Fandom mostly means well, but...

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, and a lot of them were great! They suffered from being part of a semi-recognisable group (though Cho, Claudia, and Jess are all EXTREMELY different from each other) and the pattern, but that wasn't their fault! Like okay, the coloured hair streaks was definitely a pattern but imo the issue is much more about OTHER media needing to have more Asian characters and a bigger variety of them, not with these characters/that trope.

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[(Anonymous)]

I love the early blueprint Cool Asians. They were never tokens to me, and although I wasn't like them they made me feel like I didn't have to conform. Secret because some of these were written by white people and that comes with criticism. I get annoyed when someone says the characters shouldn't exist for the crime of not being good enough. They were good enough for me.

[neoyi]

Me, too. I tended to latch onto any Asian characters I saw onscreen growing up. Yes, sometimes the ones that were very badly stereotyped/racist. Like I have a lot of complicated feelings about Shortround for that reason, because, well, the racism. But also, he was an Asian kid who got to go on cool adventures and have Indiana Jones as his surrogate dad. Little Asian Me latched the fuck onto that because that was such a wish fulfillment for me.

[(Anonymous)]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas Tiiiiiiiiiiffaaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyy suppoooooooooooooosed tooooooo beeeeeee cooooooooooooooooooooooooolllll?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think there's anything wrong with loving imperfect characters, after all you can decide for yourself what you find offensive and whether a character speaks to you in the end. I try to be respectful when someone else has a problem with a character I feel represented by, and not shut down critiques, but also not let it ruin my love for the character, because my opinion is just as valid as theirs when it comes to a character that shares my identities.

[(Anonymous)]

I recognize Cho Chang and Claudia Kishi, who are the others?

[(Anonymous)]

Margaret Kim (Margaret Cho) in All-American Girl, Jess Bhamra (Parminder Nagra) in Bend It Like Beckham, and Tiffany Blum-Deckler (Ashley Paige Albert) in Daria

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you!

[(Anonymous)]

You're welcome!

[(Anonymous)]

What I appreciated about Claudia as a kid was that she struggled with schoolwork, especially math. Because I wasn't very good with schoolwork growing up. It was uncomfortable to be expected to be part of the gifted program or AP classes, but turn out to be the most average 2.5GPA student that doesn't stand out academically.