[ SECRET POST #6946 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6946 ⌋

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[Heated Rivalry]



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[Shinsetsu Mahou Shoujo]



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Comments

Re: Fine with it.

[(Anonymous)]

Those are just propaganda lies. Men are gonna be creepers no matter if they are allowed in or not.

Re: Fine with it.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I don't see how it's propaganda or a lie to say that if you allow men into a space where women get naked, they're going to have an easier time getting away with being creepers than if you prohibit them.

Re: Fine with it.

[(Anonymous)]

Because the men who would do something are going to go in anyway. Most men are just going to do their own thing and be fine.

It is also a scare tactic that turns all men into predators and women into helpless victims that need protection. To be perfectly honest, the only people I ever see seriously worried about this are transphobes or misogynists.

Re: Fine with it.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I've never liked that argument, because from that it follows that we shouldn't have laws or rules at all. After all, bad people don't follow laws, and good people don't need them, right?

But the reality is that laws *do* stop a lot of people from doing things that they'd otherwise do, because they don't want to face the consequences. It's the same with something like a single-sex space: yes, there are bad actors who ignore the rule no matter what, but there are many others who are deterred by it, because breaking a rule has consequences, and because they are *immediately* going to stand out, and be perceived as a potential threat. In an environment without the rule, not only is there no deterrent, but a bad actor who enters the space can use the fact that they're allowed to be there as a cover.

I think it's disingenuous to say that only transphobes or misogynists could be concerned about this. Not all men are predators, and not all women are helpless victims, but there are reasons that women are more likely than men to be victims of sexual assault, more likely than men to be victims of DV, and more likely than men to be killed by their partners. Men are, unfortunately, physically bigger and stronger than us, and they're more violent than we are! It doesn't help anyone to pretend that that isn't so.

Re: Fine with it.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never liked that argument, because from that it follows that we shouldn't have laws or rules at all.

This is a very "slippery slope" type of argument that I've always found bizarre and derailing.

Re: Fine with it.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I don't see how. Why would the logic that this specific rule doesn't deter bad actors not also apply to other rules? And in any case, it is in fact generalizable: despite there being laws against various things, people still do those things. What makes it a slippery slope argument?

Re: Fine with it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes yes, men are big and scary and bathrooms are a big scary places rife with assault.

Re: Fine with it.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

This is a childish response.