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fandomsecrets2026-01-13 05:05 pm
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[ SECRET POST #6948 ]
⌈ Secret Post #6948 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire series by George R.R. Martin]
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[Heated Rivalry]
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[Law and Order SVU vigilante justice > Batman-style vigilante justice]
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 30 secrets from Secret Submission Post #992.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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Transcript by OP
"What? You were gay baiting us all along? No, there has to be to a secretly good ending."
"Somehow, the old baddie that hadn't been a focus for years has returned."
"I was strung along for years to end with this lazy stroll to the finishing line?! This is it??"
"Wow, look at how the tied all the loose ends on this turd sandwich for an unnecessarily long time."
Makes me glad I stopped watching seasons ago. I just knew the Duffer Bros didn't know how to end it and it wouldn't be worth it to keep watching to get a satisfying ending.
Re: Transcript by OP
(Anonymous) 2026-01-14 12:00 am (UTC)(link)Re: Transcript by OP
(Anonymous) 2026-01-14 12:14 am (UTC)(link)Re: Transcript by OP
(Anonymous) 2026-01-14 01:06 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2026-01-14 03:08 am (UTC)(link)All right, look. There are issues with the way the show ended.
That said, first of all, I hate it when people take other people's opinions on something they haven't seen and decide it means they were right to skip it. The fact is that you don't know whether anything they say is accurate, or whether you'd actually have been disappointed. The only way you can know that is to watch it yourself - which, no, you don't have to do if you're not interested, but it's stupid to take other people's thoughts as your own.
Second, there are a couple of these complaints that are bullshit. The "baiting" is delusional shippers convincing themselves that their ship was endgame, despite there being no canonical evidence that it would be, and the baddie that "hadn't been mentioned for several seasons" has, in fact, been brought up in every single season except season one.
We can talk about whether the final battle was given the time and attention it needed (it wasn't), and we can talk about whether some aspects of the end made sense (some did, and actually did tie back into the first season. Others didn't). But some complaints are frankly just ridiculous, and borne out of people constructing their entire personality around whether or not fictional characters wind up doing the things they want them to do.
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(Anonymous) 2026-01-14 05:08 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2026-01-14 08:11 am (UTC)(link)[VAGUE SPOILERS]
There were some problems with the finale (pacing problems, the action feels kinda underwhelming especially against the expectations of this being a big series finale, the sexist and/or racist handling of a couple of characters that have already been handled kinda poorly earlier in this season and/or earlier seasons, that one supposedly emotional scene between two characters that just doesn't work because the entire season has completely neglected the alleged importance of their relationship and the actors cannot be arsed to feign convincing emotional investment either, the thing with the US military post-action where the writers couldn't be arsed to figure out how the characters get out of the corner they got written into, so they just timeskip ahead and resolve it offscreen, and the series is open-ended enough that the epilogue really didn't need to be quite as long as it was.
That said, the bad parts are bad in a very... boring, expected, industry standard ways. They have obvious explanations. Not necessarily GOOD explanations, but it's not one of those "how and why could they possibly fuck it up that badly???!" bafflement situations. It's also, mercifully, NOT one of those endings where the showrunners felt the immature need to "win against" audience expectations by making it as nonsensical and out-of-nowhere as possible. No, it mostly follows quite logically from the story that came before. It does so in a somewhat underwhelming manner (I think a lot of storytellers in general struggle with making the endings to long stories feel "big enough", and fall for the trap of just adding bigger action, bigger explosions, bigger monsters or whatever instead of emphasising the emotional stakes), but nevertheless.
That said, if someone already started getting disinterested in Stranger Things after the first one or two seasons, I doubt they would have gotten much out the later ones *even if* the finale had been consistently good.
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(Anonymous) 2026-01-14 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)i think it's fair to say that people shouldn't wade into ongoing conversations and say "it's bad in xyz ways" based solely on regurgitating other people's takes
but saying "ahh, this kind of huge messy fandom implosion hitting so many familiar beats for failed projects does provide some additional circumstantial evidence that this ending was not super well planned in advance. I happen to know that I really dislike endings that are kind of messy and haphazard, and/or I don't enjoy when *fandoms* get like this. glad I missed it", especially as a personal fandom *secret* seems very reasonable
people are in fact allowed to evaluate what other say and draw some information from it
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(Anonymous) 2026-01-14 05:11 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2026-01-14 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)elon musk is a wretched, egotistical idiot doing massive amounts of evil in the world but that doesn't mean I care to scrupulously double-check that we never have any overlapping opinions on random mediocre TV shows
that does not constitute "being on the same side" and it's frankly crass and lazy for you to try to deploy it as an argument about why someone really should or shouldn't watch, again, a tv show