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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is a really common process - so many people attracted to queer themes in fandom then turn out to be queer themselves. I think this is not quite the same as fetishisation, though - fetishisation involves reducing a person to *only* the relevant characteristics. So someone can write a fic about, say, a trans woman, and one person can read it because it touches something within them, and another person can read it because "ooh hot". I don't think either reaction is wrong, but how you relate to real people who share the characteristic determines whether you're treating them as a fetish or not. (And I don't mean just direct interaction - it used to be really common for people to write slash fic and also be homophobic IRL and think gay people shouldn't have rights!)

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with all of this except the last part. I never really was part of the whole yaoi fangirl era but I did read a lot of fics (most of them slash &yaoi) and not one writer I saw had an issue with gay men. They were the ones getting death threats and told they were going to hell, it's where "don't like, don't read" kinda stared I thought. Most of them just shrugged it off, it was part of the experience. Not one of them agreed from what I saw.

This was in the 90-2000's, so maybe our timelines vary.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Nope, same era, 1994 onwards for me. I wasn't into Japanese fandoms at the time so I don't know what the yaoi scene was like, but I very much saw slash writers who would proclaim that this was all fiction so it was fine, but in real life they don't support gay people. (Plus the whole "smarm" scene where it was presented as totally normal for two guys to be platonically doing all kinds of things you would call part of a relationship!) I'm a lesbian, so this was off-putting to say the least! I also received death threats and was told I was going to hell for writing slash (almost always from Americans, so being told I didn't live in their country and was an atheist was always fun to make them scream more), and vividly remember the "this contains SLASH, don't like, don't read" disclaimers.

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ayrt

Ah, different circles then. tbh my sister would know more. Back when ff.net had forums she modded a couple of them and actually talked some people through their homophobia. She's still friends with a couple, one girl in particular who later realized she liked women and most of her ire was internalized.
I just read anything and everything I could get my hands on, mostly yaoi, and while I didn't socialize much, I definitely think I'd remember if it mentioned in a fic/profile if they didn't approve irl. But I absolutely agree most of the hate, especially the religious sort, were all from americans. Sorry people threatened you as well, it was almost normalized but never a good time for sure.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Yeah, I was never on ff.net, I was on usenet then email lists before livejournal and it was definitely happening there. Most slash writers were absolutely chill in the early days, but I think as slash got more popular and mainstream (for certain values of "mainstream") in some fandoms, i.e. not off on its own separate list, people felt the need to get louder about hating real life queers. The absolute last time I remember it happening was around S2 of Supernatural.

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ayrt

I can definitely see that sort of build in popularity having that sort of backlash for sure. I remember there being a lot of general phobia around that time too. Even though 2007 feels so late, I think it was a few years after gay people were given a lot of the same rights, (marriage, etc,) in the states especially, so the loudness would definitely come from a mix angry people just being assholes. Still, I hate that it was still happening in an area like fic and fandom.

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DA

I definitely saw people in the 90s write slash and have a disclaimer that they didn't support gays in real life. They were the minority, though, of an already minority community.

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Nayrt

Yep you are right, they existed, and homophobic slash writer were a rarity even back then. I have no idea why people nowadays say it was pretty common. It wasn't.
Maybe they wrote insensitive and borderline fetishising stuff, sure, but they weren't overtly homophobic and most people even supported gay marriage when it was mostly a mirage back then.
They were absolutely no more homophobic than the general population of the time. Let's remember that the 90s and 00s were not great decades for gay rights or any sensitivity toward minorities.