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[ SECRET POST #6973 ]

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Yeah i guess thats what I'm getting at. Also I'm frustrated at how often people will come up claiming "oh i have receipts Viv did something bad recently" but they're gone by the time someone asks "hey. Can we see it?"

I guess i just posted this in sheer frustration that there seems to be this group of people who seem to hate Viv like she's JKR abd everything she does is HORRIBLY offensive because.....reasons"

And things not even done by her/not even her decision are her fault..its been something thats built up in smaller incidents until i saw that and just got so frustrated.

I'm sorry I just....

The Hazbin/Viv hatedom is a very strange place. I've seen the "Viv has done something bad, I have the receipts" comments in the wild and it's very obvious that they're just trying to stir up trouble. There's only ever vague speculation in the replies, the OPs always disappear and no one ever actually brings up something concrete or verifiable.

the most annoying part is that they're gungho dead set on trying to shame fans and convince everyone to agree with them and mock Hazbin fans who dare to stick up for what they like like they're die-hard stans

I won't ever deny some of the fandom misbehaves sometimes Like i've seen some of the ship warriors say rotten shitty things at one another. but....all fandoms have that to some degree

IME I feel like we're hardly different from any other fandom out there?

I agree 100%. Is Viv perfect? No way. But is she JKR levels of bad? Fuck no.

Evidently Viv said something bad about trans people 15+ years ago one time in a private conversation but at least she hires trans people to play trans characters today. That's not at all the same as spewing transphobic nonsense to 100+k followers on a daily basis and donating large sums of money to anti-trans causes.

There's no comparison here. None whatsoever.

yeah i mean ...I dunno I prefer to judge on what I see now . and from what I see now... idk she hardly seems like the bad person some folks are insisting she is?

IDK i'm just a HazbinHellaverse fan who wants to be left alone to squee without being told I should be embarrassed for what I like

Damn, is that why people hate Viv? Saying one transphobic thing in private at a time there was no place in fandom where you couldn't find people gushing (or vomiting) about "traps" and using racist/ableist/homophobic slurs as if they were just mild/affectionate insults? The people with receipts must not have been in fandom then. Transphobia wasn't a thing one creator did, it was just a part of life in fandom. I participated. Then a few years ago I realized I'm trans. I don't care.

I remember those times bc back then I was calling out people who were using the r-slur and using "autistic" in a similar way.

But nowadays I wouldn't hold it against someone using those terms BACK THEN if they had grown from it. Because I don't wanna just judge people forever i actually WANT growth and change. I feeling like if you're calling people out on like transphobic language and other bigoted language you should hopefully be doing it to ENCOURAGE change.

but it seems like these receipt collectors don't care if someone changed between then and now.. they just wanna have reason to hold it over them :/ which doesn't seem to ACCOMPLISH anything.

*I feel

Bluhhh words

Yeah, I personally am not going to hold that against someone. 15 years was a long time ago and depending on her age, she might have been quite young then. People get ridiculous with the receipts sometimes. I saw someone get dragged because they used "gay" as a pejorative when they were 14 years old. Another time, some celebrity said something shitty in the 80s, apologized for it, and some people were still holding it against him. At some point you have to accept that NOBODY is perfect and if we cancel everyone who has ever made a problematic comment, we will quite literally ALL be cancelled.

I don’t go here but from the outside all of the hate screams misogyny. I’m sorry that the hatedom has overshadowed your fandom, OP.

They didn't have my chips at the store. That's misogyny, too, right?

If they didn’t have them and a woman works there and it’s her fault because of what she wears or looks like or who she talks to then, yeah. Yeah that’s misogyny. And those are the things I’ve seen criticized about Viv.

A woman works there, and she talked to the temp at the supplier company instead of the regular and now there are no chips.. So it is misogyny because it's the fault of a woman for who she talked to. You have now watered down the definition of misogyny to be useless. Congrats!

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