[ SECRET POST #6975 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6975 ⌋

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[Hazbin Hotel]



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[Star Wars Special: C-3PO (2016)]























Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 25 secrets from Secret Submission Post #996.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

This all may be true of this particular unnamed ship, don't know what it is, can't say

Broadly implying every ship's characters and dynamics should or would remain exactly the same if flipflopped, or else you're some sort of bigot (?), is going too far in the other direction though. Characters, just like real people, can have explicitly stated preferences and aversions and interests and these ARE character traits

Of course that doesn't mean the character is incapable of physically doing something else, but the dynamic of someone doing something they're into, and doing something they're not into is very much not the same dynamic. Unless their preferences have magically changed

[(Anonymous)]

Real people also experiment and try things out with their partners, though, and doing so doesn't totally change the dynamic between them. Also, the sexual preferences of real people can and do evolve over time. Not every like and dislike is set in stone.

[(Anonymous)]

Some do, some don't. It's as wrong to say all do as all don't.

[(Anonymous)]

And how it contradicts character just mixing it up in a bedroom?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand what you said there.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't say that "all do." I was reacting to the idea that doing something different in the bedroom must change the dynamic between two people, and that preferences changing over time is so unusual that it warrants skepticism.

[(Anonymous)]

+10000000

[(Anonymous)]

Im not saying it should stay the absolute same at all times. But if who tops and who bottoms DRASTICALLY changes the characterisation to the point it becomes unreadable to you then yes, there likely are some biases, either with you or in the fandom that changes the characters based on their sex dynamics. And I never used the term bigotry, that's all on you.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT - I honestly don't know what fandom(s) you're in where characterization doesn't noticeably change in accordance with top/bottom roles a lot of the time. I'm not saying it's a good thing (or a bad thing for that matter); I'm just saying it's been extremely common in the vast majority of slash fandoms I've been in over the past twenty-plus years. Not necessarily always a drastic change in characterization, mind you, but at the very least a noticeable one. Like, I would estimate that nineteen times out of twenty, I can guess who the bottom is in a particular fic based purely on how the characters and their dynamic are written, before anything sexual happens at all.

Not that these people complaining about top/bottom configuration in their bonus content weren't being silly. I agree that they were. It was bonus content. But I do agree with them that most of the time, for better or worse, top/bottom roles do make a difference in how the characters and the pairing's dynamic is written.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean yeah, it does but not always so drastically that they might just as well be different characters depending on who tops. It's basically another factor in general OOCness where the canon characterisation is changed to fit the fanfic author's needs instead of the writing and dynamics being fitted to the existing characterisation. Only with top/bottom discourse, there are potentially additional biases at work (like feminising the bottom).

[(Anonymous)]

This. It's a fandom culture thing.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I never once mentioned anything being unreadable to me, I was talking about the many ships, especially in BL, in which characters canonically state preferences about that sort of thing. To have them suddenly swap preferences apropos of nothing does change dynamics and changes character traits. Saying 'swapping the roles of any two characters changes nothing' is as broadly wrong as saying 'swapping the roles of any two characters changes everything'; neither of these statements are overall true, because it's on a per character per ship basis.

No ship was named, so all I can comment on is the broad generalization that was made.

[(Anonymous)]

That was a general "you", mainly aimed at the people mentioned in the secret (who throw tantrums about top/bottom roles drastically changing the character to an unbearable degree) but I see the misunderstanding and apologise for putting this in a way that could be easily misunderstood. The fancomic in question is a BL fancomic/doujinshi to a non-BL canon. Again, sorry for the confusion.