[ SECRET POST #6978 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6978 ⌋

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Comments

Re: sure if anyone is interested lmao

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Thanks for your thoughtful answers, I was honestly going back and forth over whether to add more detail to the first question because of the issues you mentioned, but ended up leaving it short. I guess when I say I like non fandom m/m stories, I mean I like stuff in men's S&M magazines and short story collections at the leather shop. But yeah the question leaves out a lot of nuance and also leaves out many different kinds of fandom content, I probably would agree that there isn't a strict distinction between fandom and non-fandom writing.

Re: sure if anyone is interested lmao

[(Anonymous)]

yeah it's just weird and also something that changed over the past few decades as well; fandom and fandom writers have gone more mainstream... I still remember the big fuss with Cassandra Claire (who I still refuse to read out of spite), but these days there's like MULTIPLE het romance novels that started life as Dramione fanfics. but it does get messy when you also consider that the average (mode) reader of romance is female, and the vast, vast majority of fanfic is also romance, and you can to some extent also propose that a lot of fanfic is filling in a gap for romance works that could not have been tradpubbed due to... uh, gay. to what extent is fanfic fandom transformative work versus catering to an underserved audience is something much more academic people than I have written on, I'm just a shitposter.

the funny thing is I have honestly taken a good look at, as you put it, 'men's S&M magazines and short story collections at the leather shop' and have also gone into historical stuff (see: Victorian erotica, it's hilarious) and... that is like explicitly and extremely Not My Thing for the most part because I am tremendously asexual. Like I actually read Gengoroh Tagame for the plot/kink and also because I really do think he's a very creative artist, but I avoid 'bara in general' for the same reasons I avoid gay porn in general, lesbian porn in general, het porn in general, and frankly, the majority of porn in general.

pretty often when you have guys who are into guys making sexy stuff for other guys to get off to there IS gonna be that element of... presuming the viewer is into it? or that the viewer is sexually attracted to or desires either to be the person involved or to be DOING stuff to the person involved. any work of porn and/or erotica that tries to involve its viewer or takes that sort of viewpoint is about as offputting to me as, I assume, making a gay guy watch very standard PIV porn would be.

I will say cishet romance generally ALSO has that self insert or 'you should find this sexy man hot' assumption I also don't care for lol. leaving m/m slash fandom where the point is that the guys are into each OTHER and you the author/reader are irrelevant is the best place to avoid all that.

Re: sure if anyone is interested lmao

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I think how I relate to my sexuality and m/m is nearly opposite as yours, I totally understand what you're saying about bara but for me that's part of the appeal (Gengoroh Tagame draws SUCH hot bears!), while erotica that is more about another type of interest without that immediate physical lust often leaves me cold and bored, though I can still enjoy the plot or character building and I read all kinds of stuff. I am really attracted to men and masculinity so I best love works that reflect that feeling personally, and reflect my interest in gay S&M. I appreciate you explaining what you enjoy in m/m, it's really interesting.

Re: sure if anyone is interested lmao

[(Anonymous)]

lol yeah like, lots of different types of relationships in fandom and ways to engage with, and that's the fun and appeal of it to me! I basically don't read or enjoy anything that is very... raw or physical or lust...y, but I DO enjoy writing it as a sort of challenge/control thing. can I take characters and settings and dynamics that shouldn't work and that people don't care for, then force people to be affected and frustratedly horny about it (and then curse me out after)? men, women, whatever, I just like puzzles, and these are fun ones. slash readers are usually a bit more open to experimenting or reading stuff outside their usual diet, and when I had more time in the past I used to be pretty active on kink fics and the like.

anyway, fun question, also fun to see other people's answers! I will say the way I interact with fandom stuff is also not likely common, as far as I know, and what you do may be a more typical expression or experience. small sample size though lol