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⌈ Secret Post #6988 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[(Anonymous)]

On one hand I love a good tragic villain or well-intentioned person who got in too deep and went too far, bonus points for if they win a pyrrhic victory at some point.

On the other hand I dislike most characters considered tragic villains because they get too woobified or try too hard to justify what they did. It's hard to get the balance right.

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[philstar22]

Oh man yes. Same with redemption arcs for me. Done right? Amazing. Done in a woobified way that justifies their actions or pretends they weren't ever bad? no thank you.

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! I love a good redemption arc where people DON'T all magically forgive the person and the person has to deal with the fact that you can't undo what's been done, some people will never forgive them, and that will never change. Bonus points if they go into the fact that others will even judge the people DO give them a second chance for giving them one at all, and they're dragging other people into it with them.

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[philstar22]

Yes! I can love a redemption equals death done right. I love that while Anakin is redeemed saving his son, for the rest of the galaxy, he's still Vader. But I do love a redemption arc where they have to live with the things they've done and continue to make amends maybe without being forgiven.

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[(Anonymous)]

This is why I just can't like Sephiroth: because fandom is insistent on woobifying him even when canon itself makes very clear that he is doing everything of his own free will AND that he is ultimately irredeemable.

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[(Anonymous)]

Before all that, the reason I couldn't like Sephiroth is he has no personality. Maybe he gains one in the expanded universe but like. He didn't have one in the game canon

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't help that a lot of the time, it wasn't actually him you meet. And the whole Nibelheim thing was too bland to actually give him a personality aside from "damn he crazy" - which makes sense from a narrative POV but it still doesn't make him have an actual personality.

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. I figure he must have a personality somewhere that wasn't in the original game because surely all this fandom must be based on something, but fandoms have started for less, so...

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[philstar22]

This is how I feel about Loki in the MCU. He was fun as a villain. But then the creators saw how popular he was and decided to go along with the fans who woobified him. And retroactively even ruined his villain parts.

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[(Anonymous)]

I never played ff7 when it was new but I'd heard about how popular he is just from being on the internet. My gf loves the ff games in general, got the ff7 remakes and wanted to show me them because I'd never played 7 and she was curious about how I'd like or dislike the characters, as in she thought I might like Sephiroth due to him being a villain. Queue me finding him funny as fuck and far too much of a looser to like in any capacity and it's been tickling her that I just Do Not Get the hype for the dude at all.

Like I thought there was something more there than hot guy with white hair, but no, he doesn't even have a fun personality, he just decides to be evil with almost no hesitation and I could not for the life of me find that interesting. Oh well.

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[(Anonymous)]

I always though his costume design was silly and his theme song was silly as well. Never understood why that was so popular.

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[(Anonymous)]

Uh... the own free will part is HIGHLY debatable considering the whole "former child soldier who is daddie's science experiment" and that's not even taking the whole Jenova bullshit and his general insanity into account. Which still doesn't excuse what he does but I'm not so sure about it all being THAT clear that he is doing everything of his own free will. Also, it's not even really him for large parts of the game. Which was basically what made him kind of boring to me.

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[(Anonymous)]

Word of God states that HE is the one controlling Jenova, not the other way around. This is further confirmed in Dissidia Opera Omnia where even in a completely different world, he's still trying to harness the power to execute Reunion so that he can become a god in that world too. Kadaj changes his mind and backs out in favor of creating a life for himself, but Sephiroth refuses to stop seeking power and trying to become a god even in a world where Jenova herself doesn't exist.

Re: Favorite Character archetypes

[(Anonymous)]

I played the og back in the day and still play it on occasion and I can't see any personality in Sephiroth at all, and by the time the remakes came around, it's like people forgot he's been brainwashed since Nibelheim and was raised as a child soldier, which are apparently the same people who forgot Cloud was contained for five years, malnourished and experimented on and assimilated Zack's personality due to the Jenova cells. Post reveal, Cloud is trying to find himself and forgive himself.