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⌈ Secret Post #7010 ⌋

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[fscom]

Sometimes I feel americans in general are prudes.

I don't mean just conservatives for what happens to be right wing in the US. When I see how fandom circles have developed these last years, especially antis, I can't help but think americans have an aversion towards sex and pleasure.

[(Anonymous)]

Just now noticing that?

signed, an American

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the most confusing part of this is like ... what do they mean the past few years? Past few centuries maybe?

signed, another American

[(Anonymous)]

DA but it has gotten worse in the past 10 years or so. Maybe more. Not just in fandom with the puriteens trying to shut things down, but irl there has been quite a tonal shift.

[(Anonymous)]

Has it, or was it there all along and you have now noticed it?

[mishey22]

America was founded by puritans, so. Yeah

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, it's always been that way but it seems to be more and more common even in fandom spaces that feel like they should be "open" or "accepting". I've seen multiple headlines about, say, Gen Z not wanting to see any sort of sex at all in tv and movies, not even "PG-13" relationships for some. Even worse, it's extending beyond fandom toward how they're approaching actual relationships (including being in favor of traditional gender roles, etc.).

[(Anonymous)]

but is that uniquely American or /gestures at all the countries with declining birth rates, marriage rates, and reported sexual experience on surveys both western and eastern

[(Anonymous)]

I find it interesting from an outsider perspective how culty America actually is, regardless of political alignment. You should hit up the Cult and Culting of America podcast by Daniella Mestyanek Young. It's fascinating stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

It really is incredible the extent to which American culture is still tainted by our Puritan roots--despite all the different types of people who have come here in the 400 years since. It makes us a very annoying people, I have to say.

[(Anonymous)]

America has such a weird ass relationship with sex (..... I'm not sure whether I intend that as a pun or not). So ridiculously repressed or over-the-top "I'm so controlled by my primal urges that I will torpedo my entire life on a sexual whim and there is no room for thought on this," as if there were no in-between.

[(Anonymous)]

only if you think every character in American media is 1:1 = real people in America. In my irl life, good/bad/ugly, the puritain stereotype has never applied to anyone I've known from Lutheran church moms to fellow kinky queers.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes we are. Then again, the way so many newspapers in other countries post half naked women pictures right in the newspaper weirds me out. Not because I'm a prude, I like naked people. But because it is freaking sexist.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't some of those newspapers even publish photos of half naked 16 year olds as well as adult women? There is such a thing as being too "free and open" about some things

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Like, isn't there a way to be sex positive and not prudish without being sexist, male-gaze only, and gross? Has any country figured that out?

[(Anonymous)]

It is those pesky Puritan roots.

[(Anonymous)]

Puritanism.

[(Anonymous)]

Puritanism in fandom is new, so I don't think you can blame this completely on America's Puritan culture. Americans in fandom were as Kink Tomato as anyone else in fandom before antis appeared in the 2010s.

Source: am an American who's been in fandom since the 90s and read my fandom history from earlier than that.

[(Anonymous)]

Always-has-been.meme

This is a country where on TV you can show all the graphic gore and blood and torture you want, but a nipslip of a female-presenting boob will get a hearing in front of Congress.

[(Anonymous)]

Americans broadly have always been weird about sex and bodies, but there was less of that in fandom because fandom was, by definition, something for weird freaks. But now that it's become more mainstream, more "normies"—people who wouldn't have come within 40ft of this stuff a couple decades ago—are engaging with fandom and asking, "What's up with all this freak shit?"

In short: everyone needs to get weirder right now.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is a really important point. Fandom has broken containment. And hey, I'm all for people enjoying things they want to fan over, more power to them. I'm NOT ok with newbie normies who come into fandom spaces and then want to police how fandom is done, ruining it for all of us weird freaks.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean the puritans were sent to america to breed, so yeah. You've basically just stated a historical fact.

[(Anonymous)]

Sent? To breed??

[(Anonymous)]

As an American, agreed. The Modonna/Whore complex is essentially what is normalized in America. Rather prude and immature.

Everything has to be representative of one's morality, and everything comes with an excuse or loophole that I wonder why Americans have to make sex into a complex game of chess.

In America, if you enjoy anything, it comes with a moral dilemma and it's everyone else's business too.