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[ SECRET POST #1067 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1067 ⌋

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Well, think about the situations the anons face when they're considering de-anoning. Myself, a vocal non-anon, am very well known for these sorts of things, have been accused of anon-puppetry to back up my opinions/claims, have been called a variety of names-- and I'm not really saying anything outrageous. I'm not an angry sort of person, generally. But some people get more riled up by things, and things could get carried away-- do THEY want to become known as that sort of person, when they usually aren't? I know I wouldn't.

IDK, I just feel like having arguments on the internet shouldn't ruin your future fandom careers, and I've seen it happen too much to be unsympathetic for people covering their asses.

Right, I wasn't trying to call the anons cowards for posting anonymously or anything like that, more trying to say "Hey, you're being brave with a dissenting opinion, that's cool." And yeah, anonymity affords certain protections that I'm cool with, but sometimes some of the most biting, trolly comments seem more so because they're coming from an anon who's feeling venomous for whatever reason and need to vent on someone. /shrug

But yeah, I definitely agree with you about people wanting to protect themselves from vitriol and whatever. And name-calling is never fun. Just wanted to say I support your disagreement even if I disagree with your disagreement. I also think you empower people who disagree to not feel so alone in their minority/less vocal/squashed? opinions, and sometimes end up taking the heat for it. So that's cool. Is what I was trying to say. :)

Oh, haha, yes. I'm just...rant-ready, on some subjects. *ahem* B| Moving on.

Totally, yeah, trolling behind anon is bad. But weirdly, I find non-anon trolling-- especially when it's obviously trolling-- to be even worse. What does it say about you if you AREN'T a bit ashamed of wanting to make people feel bad? :||| Seriously.

:>>>> Well ty anyway.

From what I've seen, you've got reason to.

And I see your point about non-anon, but also... well, if you don't know who is so pissed at you or angry at your opinions, then you don't know who to avoid in the future? The possible two-faced aspect of it makes me sad and uncomfortable. If I don't like someone or their ideas, I just avoid them, rather than the passive aggressive trolling stuff.

Then again we all get sarcastic and cranky sometimes so what do I know. And sometimes people's enthusiasm makes them excessively defensive and vocal and then it turns into people ganging up on each other and trying to shut people down and... BLAH. What a mess.

Most of the time I want people to chillax and have some tea. Tea is nice.

Well, that's the thing-- what if you're actually friends with someone. What if that someone KNOWS it's something they can't handle well, that the two of you could really, trully harm your friendship by confronting it, but at the same time, they can't just hold it in any more? Two-faced anon-ranting might seem terrible, but IDK sometimes it seems like the lesser of two evils. As long as it doesn't get into personal attacks, I just... I get it too much. :||

Dude I love tea. I do not get it nearly enough, as I don't want to be addicted to caffeine at all, but I loooove it.

And yeah, it's a mess. But I prefer people thinking it's a mess and only calling anons out for being dicks, rather than just for being anon.

Then you make a F!S, naturally. ;D But yeah, people deal with their rage in their own ways. Personally, I tend to just hop on AIM or whatever and CAPSLOCKRAGE at someone who has nothing to do with fandom. Their bemusement usually calms me down.

Re: caffeine, wow I'm very impressed! Over here I'm addicted to milk tea and if I don't have it for a few days I start getting the Crazy Eyes. And running for the nearest vending machine.

But word, I totally see your point. I'm very "live and let live" with anons, but dickery (anon or not) isn't why I want to be in fandom.

OH TRUE STORY. XD Hahah, different strokes, etc.

I used to be really addicted, via pop, but I cut myself off and have worked hard not to go back. D:;

Totally. And I feel like as long as you treat anons like they're any other person-- civilly until they're a dick-- then you'll probably end up being in a pretty good boat. :D

I solemnly swear that I have never vented my frustration by writing a F!S. Really. >.>

I totally hear you — back when I was in school I survived the more brutal period by being really addicted to Dr. Pepper. But at least back then I couldn't drink coffee black...

Yes, I agree — though sometimes it's hard to tell what anon is volleying what, especially in the anon comment wars. It does kind of amuse me to see them be all grouchy at each other. XD

I myself do try to not be overly dicky via sarcasm but yeah sometimes it's just keyboard smash of D: "nuu guyz stop itt" or "haters to the left"ness. But then again I'm usually a skip-through-the-flowers fan that shrugs off the stuff I find annoying. But it's easy for me to say "Let's all braid each other's hair," when people have legitimate frustrations and disappointments and feel like their opinions are being brushed aside.

Anyway, please call me out if my own sarcasm slides into dickery, and know that people are backing you up on your civil disagreementing. :)

Totally. And will do, haha. Me as well? 8D;

Seriously though, I always turn the dick on when I get straw-manned. It makes me raaaaaaaaaaaage.

I'm not really saying anything outrageous

Oh, no. All you've done is made it really clear that you'll put in a concerted effort to stop something that annoys you because it... annoys you.

So if putting two and two together between you saying that and then very suddenly seeing a wave of anon support (esp. for yourself) is such a huge leap... lol, all right.

(And like you saying that it's all right to go anon as a cop-out isn't very telling, either.)

Dude. I've done the anons-are-people too rant. I don't even deny that there have been times when I was anon.

And seriously, given that /a bunch of people/ have said they agree with me, as well as the fact that only the most recent thread on the subject has really brought up my rage against annoyance, I do believe you are just looking to deny the truth.

A bunch of people, one person, you - who the hell can tell?

And please. You've been trying to start shit amongst Mishafen for a while now. This isn't a new thing. Who cares how "politely" you think you may word it - it's still a case of "you're aggravating me, so I'm gonna try to aggravate you".

Really, why stop there? You could also be me, and I'm anoning at myself to make myself look ~persecuted~.

And no, I haven't been trying to start shit or aggravate them-- letting them know that people ARE aggravated by them could make them aggravated themselves, but it's certainly no guarantee. Other than that, I've only been voicing/trying to figure out my own feelings on the subject.

I don't need you to believe me, though. Because it seems like other people in the discussion aren't treating my side of it as automatically without merit, and one over-aggressive anon-- no matter what side they're on-- isn't going to stop this from staying civil.

Other than that, I've only been voicing/trying to figure out my own feelings on the subject.

All that really sounds like is you trying to figure out your thoughts on yaoi. Seriously.

And the merit of what - that sometimes one group of people finds another group of people annoying? Okay, if you want to put that pin in your insight hat....

And you know, my own real objection to Misha-haters and/or Cas-haters is they're so damn unfunny and tedious about it. *pointed look* If you're gonna hate, hate in ~style. People unfamiliar with Misha and/or SPN find the Mishaland people funny for a reason, you know.

Yes. But who cares? It's FS, not "you're not about to think about things" land.

Yes, and that's good for you. However, I want to be taken seriously about it, because it isn't a joke to me. And the only way to rain on a parade and be funny at the time time? Involves being a huge dick and being mean to people. I'll leave myself being funny to positive things, kthnx.

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