[ SECRET POST #7050 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #7050 ⌋

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Transcript by OP

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I always find it funny when people in fandom try to insinuate that you can't say anything critical or bad about a female/non-white character.

Because over my time in fandom the one character you will never, ever be allowed to ever criticize for the smallest thing, even if the canon is actually narratively showing that they're wrong, is the fandom fave white boi.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, my general experience is that you're hard-pressed to find people saying anything at all about female and non-white characters who have the ill luck of sharing screen-time with the aforementioned fandom fave white boi.

[(Anonymous)]

It annoys me when anyone insinuates you "cannot" or "aren't allowed" to criticize anything in fandom.

You can. You can say anything you want. You can hate on female characters. You can hate on non-white characters. You can also, in fact, hate on the fandom fave white boi. You can even love the problematic character or canon. Then everyone else can respond to what you said with their thoughts on it because they are equally able to say anything they want.

I guess being like "by allow I mean I want to say whatever I want, whenever I want, wherever I want, without any criticism or disagreement or consequence, but don't want others to have the same ability" is embarrassing though, so everyone in this secret, including OP, is never frank about it.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

+100

[(Anonymous)]

I do agree for the most part. However, I have seen some extreme cases, admittedly rare, where people have been banned from communities, been doxxed, or told to kill themselves. And I would say for those particular cases, where someone is banned or made to feel unsafe or truly persecuted, while it is technically allowed, it's effectively not allowed. But, yeah, most of the time, it's people not wanting to deal with others also having opinions about the characters or having opinions about the way the characters were criticized.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, this is the "free speech" argument again used by every annoying right winger which I assume you don't want to sound like, hopefully.

If someone gets banned from some ship forum or some shipper's personal blog for being vehemently anti-ship, they aren't "not being allowed" to be anti that ship. They can be anti that ship all they want, somewhere else. They were removed from someone else's personal/private space, not from the general public. They can create their own space or go anywhere else they aren't banned from. They are just as free as they were before the ban to say whatever they want, they just aren't entitled to have everyone listen.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Also if we're saying "being told to kill yourself" is "effectively not allowing" someone from having an opinion half of fandom has banned half of fandom, who has in turn banned them, and it doesn't seem particularly effective at all 'cause all those people are still talking. If I tell you to kill yourself does it mean I'm "effectively not allowing you" to continue this conversation? A little ridiculous, no? lol

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Though I can only speak for myself, telling someone to kill themselves is not an acceptable response to someone sharing a fandom-related opinion, even if it is a largely unpopular or even offensive one. Certainly the ability to share the opinion hasn't been removed, but it does make the recipient of such abuse more reluctant to continue sharing it, which provides the same result as a situation where they would not be allowed to share it.

Anyway, this is getting into victim blaming territory, which I assume is not the focus of the original topic.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know where "acceptable" came into the conversation, because I in no way stated that telling someone to kill themselves is acceptable. Two things can be true: nobody should be telling anyone to die over some fandom opinion because that's ridiculous and shitty, and being told to die over a ship doesn't actually remove anyone's ability to say they really hate that ship somewhere else on the internet or IRL.

A guy wearing a dress might get harassment and death threats from his insane homophobe neighbor but he is A) still allowed in general to wear it B) still a victim of hate crimes. But that's like, going into exceptional circumstances and/or criminal territory and not particularly relevant to talk about imo

[(Anonymous)]

This sounds like a major case of confirmation bias to me. People are more prone to notice criticism, etc. when it's directed at what they like and it's much easier to ignore it when it isn't directed at something you like.

Also, if you can't see any of the bullying that others are complaining about, chances are extremely high that you are one of the bullies other people are complaining about.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly, different fans react differently.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup.