[ SECRET POST #7099 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #7099 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[fscom]

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Transcript by OP

[fscom]

Whenever I see someone in the fandom refer to movie!Thorin specifically, but checks our for book!Thorin as well, as stoic I get incredibly confused.

Because that dwarf is not on any level stoic, he is in fact a very emotional person where it's very clear and obvious where other characters stand in his eyes.

I don't mean this as a bad thing, I love him to bits, just more of an observational boggling at fandom folks who think that guy is not one of the most emotional characters in the whole story. Hell the dwarves in general are actually pretty emotional in general and I love them for it.

[(Anonymous)]

Could someone please explain this secret to me? I can’t parse for some reason.

[(Anonymous)]

Because of the current-day attitudes about how men should be, awe-inspiring and respectable men are expected to be stoic, unemotional, etc., etc., and displays of emotion are strictly not for manly men. In contrast to that, Tolkien wrote Thorin to be someone who is very much openly emotional.

Tolkien's writing of emotional men mirrors the vibe of an ancient mythological epic, where epic heroic characters are emotional, in contrast to that of our current-day attitudes, which is why fanfic writers replace emotional book!Thorin with the modern movie!Thorin who is not openly emotional, just out of habit.

I'm not OP, but I think this is what they were trying to say.

[philstar22]

I agree with OP on this. Tolkien's men were for the most part extremely openly emotional. Our modern idea of stoicism and lack of emotion being ideal masculinity does not line up with the way Tolkien wrote men at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I watched those movies and I'm not sure I'd entirely agree that movie!thorin isn't openly emotional

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[(Anonymous)]

Ah, no that's no quite it.

My point is that Thorin, and all the dwarves, are very emotional and that's a good thing! But parts of fandom make him weirdly stoic when he isn't in either the movies or the books. This is not a book vs movie thing, I love them both.

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[philstar22]

It is because modern ideas of gender insist that masculine equals stoic and that strong emotions are feminine. Tolkien didn't agree. The movies for the most part, other than some characters (Legolas and Elrond mostly), actually got that right.

[(Anonymous)]

Apparently people just don't read the Song of Roland any more. (There's a description of some *twenty thousand* knights weeping to the point of swooning when Roland dies.)

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[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for making this secret maker!

And the image choice is A+. I think I mangled some of my wording in my post but ah well, just a reminder for myself next time.

[(Anonymous)]

I think people frequently conflate "serious" with "stoic". Often those character traits are paired together, but not always.