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fandomsecrets2010-01-16 04:37 pm
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[ SECRET POST #1107 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1107 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
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(Anonymous) 2010-01-17 12:14 am (UTC)(link)Fridging isn't a term for a villain's motivation, it's a term for a writer's motivation. Fridging is when a writer is stumped for a way to get at a male character and concludes, "I know! I'll do something awful to his girlfriend/mother/daughter! No one really cares about her, and that'll give him something awesome to be angry about." It's using a female character as a tool to give a male character motivation rather than caring about the female character. This is illustrated nicely by Moore asking the DC editors if it was okay to do that to Barbara, and apocryphally they wrote back with "cripple the bitch." Classic fridging: who gives a shit about the chick when you can make the important characters (Jim and Bruce) suffer?
Origin-story killings are a little more ambiguous, since people like the Waynes or the Els weren't technically characters at their "time of death." They were created to die, unlike Barbara, who had a full personality and history. And of course a woman offing a woman can be a fridging--again, the villain doesn't matter at all, what matters is the writer using a female character as a means to an end. Technically a guy could get fridged as well, it's just so notably more likely to happen with female characters that the term generally means only them.
Sorry, I got thinking about the topic and got long-winded. And I certainly agree with the spirit of your secret, which is that people shouldn't remember Barbara as a victim, but as an awesome, kick-ass character. Definitely! But that was despite what Moore did to her--he never had any intention of her becoming Oracle, he didn't even see her at all except as a way to torment Jim.
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The Killing Joke as originally written is totally Barbara getting fridged. The writer's giving Jim and Bruce motivation using Barbara as a tool to do that because she's Jim's daughter (and formerly Batgirl, unbeknownst to the Joker).
That another writer took the character who thank goodness wasn't outright killed and used all the great potential she had is great and proof that fridging can be undone and different writers can use characters in different ways.
Sometimes it seems like people think saying she was fridged is an insult to Barbara or Oracle, like you don't see she's awesome. It's more a criticism of Alan Moore for not seeing her. "Cripple the bitch" indeed!
OP better listen!
Barbara Gordon was fridged by Alan Moore in The Killing Joke.
The people who made her the awesome character she is as Oracle were John Ostrander and Kim Yale. Oracle is far more effective and badass than she was in her Batgirl days, and it's so important to have people with disabilities represented (everywhere, not just in comics), I think she's great the way she is. (Though I would love to see her be a bit more of an anti-ableism activist.)
But it was still a goddamn fridging.
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(Anonymous) 2010-01-17 12:29 am (UTC)(link)no subject