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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-02-04 05:21 pm

[ SECRET POST #1126 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1126 ⌋

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[identity profile] beandelphiki.livejournal.com 2010-02-05 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
What's really getting me is that it's considered mutilation.

It IS mutilation if it's done for no good reason. You're removing a perfectly functional part of someone's body without their consent. Medical necessity (e.g. skin cancer of the foreskin - I've seen that, and the guy got cut rather than risk it spreading to his penis) is the only good reason to do it.

(I realise that puts me at odds with the people who think it's acceptable to do it for traditional cultural/religious reasons. Well, I don't care. I don't take issue with those things having been done in the past...but it's outdated now, and a procedure that should be stopped.)

Mutilation implies deliberate harm done, but here there's none. [...] Really, it's arrogant to call it mutilation, because it's not.

It's not whatsoever arrogant to call it mutilation simply because it's traditional for some people! Jesus fucking Christ - in some cultures, they remove girl's clits. Now, I don't think this is comparable (removing a clitoris makes normal sexual function impossible - removing a foreskin generally does not), but would you say that's not mutilation because it's done for cultural reasons?!

What about intersex children born with ambiguous genitals? Traditionally, they've had their genitals cut down or removed, and have been raised as girls. Is that not mutilation if there was no harm intended?! If the reason this has been done was the "common wisdom" that it was better for a child to lose their genitals than have "weird" ones?

Just because it's ACCEPTED and people don't intend HARM does not mean that it's not a form of mutilation. It just means that people are ignorant.

But out right saying you think circumcision is gross, well, obviously rude and uneducated

Uneducated, huh?

My cousin was cut. The procedure was botched, and he very nearly lost his fucking dick. Seriously. It was that bad - he almost lost his whole penis. My aunt and uncle were told that there was a chance that he'd have to be on a catheter all his life, and a serious chance that he'd never be able to have sex.

The reason they got him cut? Well, because that's what you do in North America! You cut as a matter of course. It's accepted. No big deal. No harm done.

Yeah. Right. Except for the part where little boys risk losing their penis before they blow out their first birthday candles - WAY before they could have had any say at all in what happens to their body.

Now tell me that isn't mutilation.

Saying that we shouldn't call it mutilation BECAUSE people have NO SAY in this happening to their bodies is FUCKING ASS-BACKWARDS. If you can't see what's wrong with justifying this practice with the idea that it's "rude" to question why so many men don't have all the body parts they were BORN with, I'm really fucking disturbed by you.

(Anonymous) 2010-02-05 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this, and that we're probably arguing over cultural differences here and it's coloring our perceptions. I'm neither for or against it, and boy howdy do I know what happens when it goes wrong.

I was going for the more for the fact that telling men to their faces that they were mutilated while their penis works just fine, is rude, and is the fastest way to get a man to have a complex over himself.

Yes, mistakes and accidents happen and they are horrible, I'm not denying that. But circumcision procedures done correctly far out number the times where they go wrong.

Circumcision WILL eventually fall out of practice where it's not needed, I'm not denying this, in fact welcome this as a fact of getting over superstitions and outdated preconceptions.

(For the record, I do agree with you on the the issue removing the clitoris IS mutilation)