[ SECRET POST #1147 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1147 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 065 secrets from Secret Submission Post #164.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

114. http://i49.tinypic.com/24czcw1.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

THIS.

[katamanda.livejournal.com]

Agreed. I prefer beanclam's design too and her fem!France.


p.s whitesin writes a lot of very good fic with a fem!England based off of Beanclam's design.

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

Well, she's not my country, but I find pigtails and glasses cuter. *shrug* Not that the other version is not cute, but... yeah. Himaruya's girl!England wears glasses. She wins. (And his girl!America? It was love at first sight.)

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, his fem!America is pretty much perfect (though I am bemused by her losing her glasses while fem!England gains them). And I don't mind the glasses on fem!England either. It's the pigtails and to some extent the outfit that bugs me so much. Anon does not get a likely 1200-2000 year old nation with a physical age of 23 dressing like a sixteen year old schoolgirl, especially given England's personality and desire to be taken seriously. Anon is of the opinion she would try to appear more ladylike, just as canon!England tries to look the gentleman, even if they're both hooligans/punks/pirates underneath.

I admit, I do think about this too much for a series that's supposed to be mostly humour/cute and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even if you aren't English you have a say about this, so please don't think I'm saying if you're foreign your opinion is less valid. I think my main beef is that I wish there was more alternative fem!England art/fic out there.

Re: OP

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

Nah, I was just saying that it's not my country because, well, people tend to feel strongly about their own country, while me... in this case I just go by which one is cuter. :D (And, well, Himaruya's version is canon.) But FWIW, girl!England has no canon physical age. For all we know she's physically 17 or something. I mean, look at girl!Japan, she's a schoolgirl (and she's an older nation than England). And girl!America can be anywhere between 15 and 19.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Oh I see, Okay, I was just making sure, I don't want anyone to feel offended by my opinion or anything ^^; Himaruya more than likely did draw them just to be cute, as is his way(and I agree, his is canon, I'd never dispute that). Hmm... you might be right, I figure though she is probably equivalent to male!England in physical age but until Himaruya actually says anything though (if ever) it's all up for debate I guess.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

OP, I agree with you. She doesn't look like female version of Arthur Kirkland in my opinion. I can't imagine anyone wearing those pigtails and red glasses during Victorian Era, for example.

Re: OP

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

Who says she'd wear pigtails during the Victorian era? There are a million things you can do with that hair, it's not permanently fixed in pigtails. (As for glasses... re: Austria.)

same anon

[(Anonymous)]

I know, it was just an example of how I stuck with this image. Would be nice to see Igiko without this pigtails thing!

[(Anonymous)]

The pigtails do bother me. But hey, who says she can't wear her hair differently? Now if more fanartists would realize this. : /

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. There's so much you could do with her hair out of the pigtails. I guess fanartists think people won't recognise the character otherwise though... :c

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

Yeah, exactly. I've seen fanart of her without the pigtails, so it's not like people never draw her without them... I suppose it's just that they also think that pigtails are cute. :D

[(Anonymous)]

D: I love Igiko, though. Also I never have heard of glasses being associated with tsundere. Twintails, yes, but glasses characters are pretty varied in personality.

And honestly? I think it's kind of silly to get so upset about a design being somewhat stereotypical. I'd think it would be more annoying to see Hetalia fans cramming England into the tsundere archetype and not giving England any breathing room to have any non-"tsundere" traits, regardless of which gender England we're discussing.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I pretty much admit that it is kind of silly how much this bugs me. I made this secret mostly to try and get it out of my system (and admittedly, to see if anyone else agreed with me). I'm not having a go at those who do like Igiko, I just -- as I said -- wish there was more art/fic without the pigtails.

Oh yes, I agree with that. There could be a lot worse done with the character. So yes, this is a silly thing, I can't seem to help it though ;;

[heyheyho.livejournal.com]

...'kay?
But really why is this a secret?
Nobody will hate you or fight with you for that...

[verschreibsel.livejournal.com]

I love those designs for all nations. I like both but I too have a hard time picturing a femal version of England as Igiko. When I read genderbender fanfiction I can't picture England like the canon design.