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I don't think it's necessary to sensationalize the atrocities of WWII even further through film.

There's a reason why the artist Jean Fautrier made his "Hostage" series of paintings so vague and formless; even though they directly referenced the horrors of the war directly after the war, they did not sensationalize them.

I just think that it's in bad taste.

I don't think that truth can ever be in a bad taste. I also find that it is really necessary to further sensationalize the atrocities of WWII through film, namely the Japanese atrocities. Because those somehow got swept under the carpet and the Germans got to be painted as *the* monsters of WWII. Japan was no better. This must become a commonly accepted fact. Something else would be unfair to the victims, to the Americans who fought Japan, and to the Germans.

I don't think it's necessary to do it in a dramatized movie, because people will miss the point and go see it for the sake of getting off on violence instead of learning what really happened. The chances of that kind of movie depicting what really happened without glorifying it are slim. A documentary, perhaps, but not some kind of Tarantino gorefest. It may be unfair to have it swept under the carpet, but it's even less fair to the victims to have them portrayed in some blockbuster movie for people who want to see gory shit go down. It's excessive.

Anything Tarantino does is in bad taste, anyway.

I don't think it's necessary to do it in a dramatized movie, because people will miss the point and go see it for the sake of getting off on violence instead of learning what really happened.

And that's where the movie must grab them by their souls and show them the truth. Use their sensation lust to grab their attention and enlighten them. It can be done and it must be done. This movie really should be made.

Anything Tarantino does is in bad taste, anyway.

That's the taste the world loves:) Spicing truth with it would attract public attention, that's part of why we need such movies.

While they're at it, they can make a movie about everything the Russians did.

But of course, that wouldn't be much fun for you, now, would it? It'd probably be about 200 hours long, anyway. :)

A movie about *everything* the Russians did? You mean, about them stopping and destroying the Nazi war machine and chasing the Wehrmacht back home, which was the main thing they did? Bring it on! :))) It would be nothing for you, of course, but I would watch it.

There already are good movies about the Eastern front. My favourites are "Enemy at the Gates" (American) and "Go and see" (Russian). Go and see them:)

I have seen Enemy at the Gates.

If you're going to complain about people sweeping things under the carpet, you might as well put the negative aspects of the Russian involvement in the war out in the open.

Fair is fair. You can't look at the Soviet Union through rose-coloured glasses.

Sure. I think the movie should also address the German-Soviet pact, and hopefully name the real reason behind it.

I have seen Enemy at the Gates.

Watch "Go and see", too. It's very realistic.

i am fucking curious as to "the real reason"

because i have a tingling sensation that "invading poland" is not your answer!

learn2troll better

And why are we trying to show the world that the Germans and Japanese suck because of this war and we should hate them forever? Meanwhile, the Allies did terrible things too, but they get a free pass on having their actions depicted in film because they won?

srsly

please, please, please, let's continue the remembrance of those killed/murdered/affected by the war and the atrocities committed by germany and japan, but not at the expense of ignoring the atrocities of other nations, and NOT BASED ON A COMEDY MANGA

The Allies get a free pass? Who said that? Certainly not I. I did mention Hiroshima in the first comment, after all. I would also mention the Dresden bombing, and the plight of the German refugees. You misunderstand - I like my heroes dirty, like Tarantino's Basterds. Dirty, but right.

you're
you're still calling them heroes - if there is anything to be learned from history, it's that every side is PEOPLE. and people make mistakes

allies ≠ heroes
axis ≠ villains

i won't argue that the allied side was essentially the good side in the conflict but you can't sweepingly condemn everything bad the axis did as DESPICABLE AND HORRIBLE but then say an equal portrayal of the allied side would just be "dirty and gritty"

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I don't know you but A++++ comment BB

Why, of course the Allies are heroes, but heroes in a classical sense: strong gritty men battling monsters. People don't need to remain completely guilt-free in a Disney-esque manner to be heroes. Have you seen "Inglourious Basterds"? The Basterds are cruel bordering on sadistic, they are extremely unpleasant people, but they still are heroes. Heroes are not something like Spiderman, you know. Courage, strength, and the essencially right side are what makes a hero.

axis ≠ villains

No? The Third Reich which exterminated dozens of millions of civilians everywhere it could reach because they had the "wrong" ethnicity is not villainous to you? I can't sweepingly condemn *the several genocides* the Axis committed as DESPICABLE AND HORRIBLE? But of course I can, and I will. An equal portrayal of the Allied side would not be "dirty and gritty". I'm not opposed to dirty and gritty. It would be libelous. As in, deliberately untrue.

Villainy doesn't exist in the real world.

A human is a human. There are not 'good' and 'bad' people, just people. Adolf Hitler was a charismatic person and was good with manipulating others. It doesn't make him evil. It makes him charismatic and manipulative.

Cardboard cut-out villains were fabricated to get people to rally the troops and fight for their own side with added vigor. And if you're trying to say that there is always a hero and a villain, what about the Cold War? Not a single shot was fired, of course, but who was wrong and who was right? Was anyone definitely the hero? What about the villain?

There are as many views as there are people, wars included.

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