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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-03-17 06:09 pm

[ SECRET POST #1168 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1168 ⌋

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(frozen comment) Re: 151

[identity profile] nadiayar.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
Ever think they're doing it because you're being an enormous hypocrite?

I would consider that if I didn't see the same people go into the same racist fits entirely without provocation. Mention Russia to them, and they turn rabid. It makes me wonder about, y'know. The necessity of finishing the 1945 job. It does not do to let your rabidly racist enemies run freely. The Allies made this mistake with Hitler and see what happened.

Also, who says the Russian occupation of Poland never happened? o_O And it certainly wasn't harmless at the beginning. Things got much better after Stalin died though.

(frozen comment) Re: 151

(Anonymous) 2010-03-18 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
First off, Russians are not a race. Russians are generally white. If anything it's xenophobic, not racist. Also, people knocking Russia in this entire thread are doing it because you are literally the only representative of Russia here, and you're doing a terrible job of representing your country. They don't hate Russia. They just don't like you.

You downplayed Poland and said that you wouldn't consider what happened to them as "suffering."

(frozen comment) Re: 151

[identity profile] nadiayar.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
First off, Russians are not a race.

Ever heard talk of the "Slavic race"?

you are literally the only representative of Russia here, and you're doing a terrible job of representing your country.

Erm, how shall I put it. For a Russian, I am really quite un-extremist. What you may view as some kind of radicalism is none at all, for us, and we really don't care for PC, so for me that's all an empty sound. Now imagine what kind of job you guys are doing representing the West. I will link to this whole thing on the Russian forums, you know. I'll show them all this hate. I'll even translate the juicy hate speech for those who cannot understand English.

They don't hate Russia. They just don't like you.

That's utter crap. If someone just does not like a person they attack that person, not all adherents of her religion or her countrymen. Only the true racists, or, as you pu it, the xenophobes do the latter. Are you going to excuse their crazy hatred by... what, actually? A complaint about my personal views (which I haven't even explicated at any length at all)? :)

You downplayed Poland and said that you wouldn't consider what happened to them as "suffering."

That's because it was not suffering from about Stalin's death on. That's how it is, dude.

(frozen comment) Re: 151

(Anonymous) 2010-03-18 03:22 am (UTC)(link)
I will link to this whole thing on the Russian forums, you know. I'll show them all this hate. I'll even translate the juicy hate speech for those who cannot understand English.

Calling upon your personal Red Army to back you up? Very mature.

You are an extremist, whether you choose to consider yourself so within your own cultural context or not.

Call it "racist" as much as you want. It's just people trolling you back for being ignorant and talking out your ass.

(frozen comment) Re: 151

[identity profile] nadiayar.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
You misunderstand. Not calling for reinforcements, but informing the people you hate that you hate them. Are you afraid, or what? They won't bite you... yet:)

You are an extremist, whether you choose to consider yourself so within your own cultural context or not.

Why, of course I am an extremist from you POV. Any kind of free-thinkin non-PC person is an extremist from your POV. That's why I would never think of seriously discussing history or politics with you. It'd be like talking to kindergarten children.

Call it "racist" as much as you want. It's just people trolling you back for being ignorant and talking out your ass.

Sure, sure. If these "only-trolling" people got to a Muslim country and tell the men on the street the same things about Muslims they say here about Russians, they would be weeded out of the gene pool at once.

(frozen comment) Re: 151

(Anonymous) 2010-03-18 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
Just saying, if you can't take the heat, get out of the oven. You're the one who started everything by saying that you wanted to see a movie that would be deeply offensive to everyone, specifically the Japanese, and yet when confronted with things that offend you as a Russian, you call upon your backup squad. Mature.

Do tell, what have people even said that you would consider "racist?" Pointing out that Russians did bad shit in the war just like everyone else? OHNOES SEND THE RED ARMY AFTER THEM, FOR ZE MOTHERLAND

(frozen comment) Re: 151

(Anonymous) 2010-03-18 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
By the way, any people who respond to mild criticisms of their country (i.e. "living in the past") with violence is probably from a country that is incredibly uncivilized or filled with extremists.

(frozen comment) Re: 151

(Anonymous) 2010-03-18 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
Russia is not the entire Slavic race, let's not forget Ukraine and Belarus and so on.

Also darling, no, the majority of us here don't hate Russia or the people. Hell, probably most of them don't even hate you. Just your ignorance, your hypocrisy and your obnoxious attitude. It's not only Westerners in this thread, either, and it's really quite telling of your views that that's immediately what you assume when faced with opposition.

Go ahead and link us to your forums. Maybe an educated peer will point out to you in your own language what you're clearly not grasping in ours.

(frozen comment) Re: 151

[identity profile] nadiayar.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
Russia is not the entire Slavic race, let's not forget Ukraine and Belarus and so on.

And Poland. You forget that poor sufferer Poland! :)

Also darling, no, the majority of us here don't hate Russia or the people.

Crap, darling, utter rubbish. I lurked a lot before posting anything and I saw the statements regarding Russia in this comm. They were entirely unprovoked, and they were actually *worse* than most of the stuff in this thread. That's why my attitude is the way it is. Or do you expect to be loved and respected by people you hate and despise? How telling of your views - and delusions - to expect that:)

Maybe an educated peer will point out to you in your own language what you're clearly not grasping in ours.

LOL:)))))))))))) You really have no idea what you are talking about, do you...

(frozen comment) Re: 151

(Anonymous) 2010-03-18 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
Hence and so on, which you must not have noticed.


Not even going to touch on how little I care about how long you've lurked in threads entirely unrelated to this one.

(frozen comment) Re: 151

[identity profile] spoggly.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 04:41 am (UTC)(link)
lol the slavs were subjugated in the ussr

(frozen comment) Re: 151

[identity profile] pentatonikk.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
"Russian" is not a race. And it might be a good idea to learn some real history before attacking others with a distorted and highly offensive parody of it.

Your lack of knowledge of current geopolitical reality is laughable, but I can't say it's surprising. (no, not because you're Russian, because you've repeatedly shown yourself to be incapable of applying any view other than a black-and-white, us-versus-them mentality to the way nations interact.)

(frozen comment) Re: 151

[identity profile] nadiayar.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, now the racists come with their old "I say that not because I am racist! really, no! it's just that these people really *are* like this" tune:) Baby, the "real history" in your head is a pile of third-rate Cold War propaganda. You probably also believe that Iraq was hoarding weapons of mass destruction and was a danger to the whole civilized world and that's why George Bush Jr. just *had* to wage the recent war against it. You really need to stop watching all the TV.

(frozen comment) apologies that this is late, lj notifs seem to be down again

[identity profile] pentatonikk.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
I don't watch TV, there are no reasonable people in the world who believe that Iraq was hoarding weapons of mass destruction, and I spent the entirety of George W. Bush's presidency waiting for the day when I'd be able to vote him and people like him out of office. Nice attempt at painting all Americans with the same brush, though! You're not prejudiced, we really are like this.

(And I'll reiterate: Russian isn't a race. American isn't a race. I do not care what race or nationality you are, uninformed comments are uninformed comments.)

(frozen comment)

[identity profile] nadiayar.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, I wasn't assuming you were American. The communication seems to malfunction somehow. Let's maybe call it a truce?

Russian isn't a race. American isn't a race.

Russian is an *ethnicity* though. Ethnic hatred is often referred to as racism, though maybe not where you live.

(frozen comment)

[identity profile] pentatonikk.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I am American and don't make much of a secret of it, so the assumption wouldn't have bothered me if you'd made it, as I thought you had. Anyway, yes, I think that's probably a miscommunication and quibbling about nationality isn't really going to get us anywhere.

Ethnic hatred is often referred to as racism, though maybe not where you live.
I think this is probably a matter of regionalism; in American English "racism" is used to refer to discrimination along racial lines, race being defined not as ethnicity but as a larger group that shares physical and (sometimes) cultural traits. (or it may not be, I'm no sociologist.) We usually call ethnic hatred just that--ethnic hatred, ethnic conflict. It's bigotry, but not racism.

(frozen comment)

[identity profile] nadiayar.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
There are modern examples of ethnic hatred and crimes referred to as racist. Say, what would be worse in America: to be referred to as a bigot, or as a racist? I have got the impression it's the latter.

(frozen comment)

[identity profile] pentatonikk.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
Which ones? The only one that comes immediately to mind is apartheid, which was a racist policy.

Racism is a subset of bigotry, but I think most Americans would find it more offensive to be called a racist, if only because of the loaded political context that word has here.

(frozen comment)

[identity profile] spoggly.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
no, it's a nationality

(frozen comment) Re: 151

[identity profile] spoggly.livejournal.com 2010-03-18 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
eeeeeeeeeeeeeehehehheheheheheheheheh you can't even summon the energy to note that the war against iraq and afghanistan was directly related to the cold war efforts of the us in the middle east?

come on bb, do better

btw it's xenophobia you're looking for, not racism