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fandomsecrets2010-03-23 04:32 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2010-03-23 04:32 pm
[ SECRET POST #1174 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
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Re: 147
OP was acting like a jerkass because the secret said nothing about it being a "weight-specific" role model. Instead, OP said that the actress was not a good role model for little girls because of her weight. Being a role model has nothing to do with that. Being a role model instead has to do with who you are and what you do. If this actress is a kind person and if this actress is successful, then yes, this actress is a perfectly good role model for young kids. It doesn't matter what she looks like or what her weight is, except -- as others have pointed out -- to prove that you don't need to meet the Hollywood norm of "beautiful" in order to succeed.
As for her weight, you know what? I don't know who that actress is, and I'm probably not going to go look into her work any time soon because that's just not the type of thing that interests me. But looking at that picture? I think she's beautiful, and it doesn't really matter what you think or say. Kudos to her not for "being heavy" (though I honestly don't have a problem with that; I'm not so shallow as to think that outer appearance is what makes a person), but for being comfortable in her own skin and putting herself out there despite the very obvious bias in Hollywood and in general society against people of heavier weight.
And no, before you say anything, I am not overweight. Actually, I'm underweight, despite my decidedly unhealthy eating habits (my main diet consists of ice cream, cookies, bagels with Nutella, and other sweet things). I just really don't have a tolerance for shallow, ignorant cowards who have nothing better to do than criticize others for their weight and then needlessly insult those who don't share the same opinion.
In other words, anon? This conversation is finished, especially since you apparently don't have the courage to back up your comments by logging in to your account. Show some spine next time.
Re: 147
(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 10:02 am (UTC)(link)I don't think the point is that ignorance is good, and learning is bad, but in this case what you're "learning" is to be offended by something that is not offensive on the surface, has no offensive undertones, and (to the best of our knowledge) was not intended to be offensive. It's one thing to call someone ignorant for not knowing that a word is used as/originated as a racial slur, it's quite another to insist that they stop using perfectly innocuous phrases because someone may misunderstand and be offended.
Also, I'm not logged into an lj account because I honestly don't have one, and don't see the point in getting one just to prove to fandom!secrets that I'm not a coward (whatever that means).
Re: 147
But if you'd look up the comment thread, you'd see that not only did this original anon jump in by calling me an idiot (no, I'm not b'awwing, just pointing out that it's not as if I'm the one that started this argument), but also insinuated that "because I didn't know it was a slur, it must not be one." That's a logical fallacy. Just because you don't know something's offensive doesn't mean it isn't, and all it DOES mean is that A) you should be more careful about where you use said phrase from now on, and B) there is the possibility that the OP DID know, given the fact that other users on LJ did.
I never said the person should stop using that phrase. All I said is that there is a distinct possibility that the OP knew the other meaning. Original!Anon was the one who started in by getting EXTREMELY defensive and aggressive for no apparent reason, even after I tried to be nice.
And for the record? Saying "Wrong again about ignorance" after I quite clearly say that it's fine to be ignorant but not fine to be complacent in ignorance is pretty much saying "ignorance good, learning bad."
Re: 147