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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-03-23 04:32 pm

[ SECRET POST #1174 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Re: 147

(Anonymous) 2010-03-24 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
NOT the original anon, just jumping in here...

I don't think the point is that ignorance is good, and learning is bad, but in this case what you're "learning" is to be offended by something that is not offensive on the surface, has no offensive undertones, and (to the best of our knowledge) was not intended to be offensive. It's one thing to call someone ignorant for not knowing that a word is used as/originated as a racial slur, it's quite another to insist that they stop using perfectly innocuous phrases because someone may misunderstand and be offended.

Also, I'm not logged into an lj account because I honestly don't have one, and don't see the point in getting one just to prove to fandom!secrets that I'm not a coward (whatever that means).

Re: 147

[identity profile] lljscrawls.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 10:22 am (UTC)(link)
I never said that they should stop using the phrase. I, for one, will continue to use "call a spade a spade;" I'm just going to be more careful about where I use it.

But if you'd look up the comment thread, you'd see that not only did this original anon jump in by calling me an idiot (no, I'm not b'awwing, just pointing out that it's not as if I'm the one that started this argument), but also insinuated that "because I didn't know it was a slur, it must not be one." That's a logical fallacy. Just because you don't know something's offensive doesn't mean it isn't, and all it DOES mean is that A) you should be more careful about where you use said phrase from now on, and B) there is the possibility that the OP DID know, given the fact that other users on LJ did.

I never said the person should stop using that phrase. All I said is that there is a distinct possibility that the OP knew the other meaning. Original!Anon was the one who started in by getting EXTREMELY defensive and aggressive for no apparent reason, even after I tried to be nice.

And for the record? Saying "Wrong again about ignorance" after I quite clearly say that it's fine to be ignorant but not fine to be complacent in ignorance is pretty much saying "ignorance good, learning bad."

Re: 147

[identity profile] baka-sensei.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
THIS. :D