[ SECRET POST #1174 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: YES. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

[r0ck3tsci3ntist.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm sure I am. All these people just come across to me as protesting WAY too much about the race issue with the comm. I can't help but see something else there. But whatever.

I mean, seriously, is that all it is? "Stop talking about race?" Are you sure it isn't "Don't tell me what to think about Uhura." Or "Don't jump on my/my friend's fic?" 'Cause that's what I'm seeing in these comments. I'm seeing Anons who have had their or their friend's fic criticized. I'm not saying I think that's cool but I don't think it should be conflated with honest discussions about race issues.

So yeah, my initial reaction is to say "M'thinks the lady(ies) doth protest too much."

But you are right, we won't convince each other of anything. It's been a good discussion though and food for thought, so thanks.

Re: YES. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

[(Anonymous)]

One last thing--I actually agree with you about the part re: people angry due to "Don't tell me what to think about Uhura." But the thing is? The comm makes even liking (or disliking) the character and the S/U ship a race issue, so it's inevitable that it gets bundled up with everything else race-related.

THIS. I JUST SAID THE SAME THING.

[(Anonymous)]

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Re: YES. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

[fairhearing.livejournal.com]

::raises hand:: I've never had my fics or the fics of any of my friends criticized.

As I see it, the biggest issue is in no way overeagerness to talk about race; it's that a dissenting opinion is completely impossible, and if you DO disagree you are racist, period, accept it, ACCEPT IIIIIT Even if, um, the thing you disagree about doesn't have to do with race. It's so exhausting.

In my own time there I actually AGREED with basically all of the race stuff. I think there's absolutely racism (and misogyny) behind a lot of the bizarrely-justified distaste of the pairing, for example. That's why their rude and inexcusable behavior towards everyone who DIDN'T agree, or who made innocent mistakes, was so fucking frustrating to me. Even though our opinions were the same most of the time, they were absolutely no longer people I wanted to be associated with.

Re: YES. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

[r0ck3tsci3ntist.livejournal.com]

I thought I remembered Cleo abjectly apologizing for all that (in the hair discussion)

it's that a dissenting opinion is completely impossible, and if you DO disagree you are racist,

That is certainly a very difficult thing to have to work around and very frustrating.

Re: YES. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

[(Anonymous)]

let me pose the question to you, does the chulu community have a asian race!fail? or the nimoy comm a religion! fail (and there have been a lot of fics where nimoy, shatner and de meet up in heaven--nvm the first two are JEWISH)...no. just this comm. there is a heavy empisas on race which would not be so bad if it did not figure into just about every post.