[ SECRET POST #1174 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋

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Comments

Re: 147

[hikari.livejournal.com]

Saying you're tired of paying for other people's choices implies that you think either the health care system or all of the people it may cover needs to change. Do you really think that everyone in America is going to start adhering to your value system, in regards to weight and health-related behavior? If not, what else are you hoping will happen?

Yes, we all pay for people's choices. What you don't seem to be getting is that people who have health problems because of excess weight, and people who have health problems as a result of playing, say, contact sports, have both made choices that you are paying for. My father played football all through high school and college, and he has a lot of back problems as a result. Sometimes, he needs health care for these problems. Personally, I have no interest in football and think playing a dangerous sport that causes painful health problems later in life is a stupid choice. But I can't make that choice for anyone else. I can't force that value on anyone.

Some people play sports and never have any serious health problems, as a result. Some people eat crap, never exercise, and don't have any health problems as a result of that either. What I'm saying is that you seem to be drawing a line between "fat people" and people who have made other choices that later resulted in health problems, or people who have children and need to stay in the hospital to give birth, and saying that only fat people are in the wrong, that they are the only ones being irresponsible and misusing their freedoms. If you personally feel that exercising and eating right is more morally laudable than, say, choosing not to drive a car to avoid getting in an accident, great. But you don't get to apply your values to everyone else in America.

Yes, I've seen a passable amount of media coverage that depicts Gabourey Sidibe in a positive light and encourages the idea that bigger people are deserve to be treated with the same kindness and given the same opportunities as everyone else, regardless of their weight. I've never seen anything that said "being obese will not give you any health problems."

Re: 147

[(Anonymous)]

I actually DO believe that the health care system needs to change. We spend too much money on people who choose to be stupid and reckless, and not nearly enough money on people who, through no fault of their own, have conditions that go untreated. Notably, I don't think we give enough attention to mental health issues, women's cancers and other things. But that's a different debate.

I don't think that the choice to sit on the couch, stuff your face with high fat garbage, not exercise and generally be a sloth is a "moral choice" per se. It's a lifestyle choice. And I am not saying that this is the case with this actress.

I am also not saying that she, or anyone, should be treated with anything less than respect or kindness. What I AM saying, and what you seem to be deliberately bypassing, is that the media is making her their darling of the moment, and giving the unhealthy message that because she is so talented and all, and she is so positive about herself, that her weight is not a genuine problem health wise. It is much like how they are with comedians who are dangerously overweight (Chris Farley comes to mind). But Gaby's fans are young girls, many of whom are impressionable and sadly many are obese. The message should not be that her weight doesn't matter. It should be that she is awesome and amazing, while recognizing that being that morbidly obese is not healthy.

And while some people can eat crap, never exercise and not have a problem, the reality is that African Americans are the fastest growing demographic in Diabetes rates, and morbidity from it. Young girls in that group are especially prone to the dangerous effects. This is a problem, in terms of health care costs, as well as human loss.

So be as defensive as you like. But with health care costs on the rise, and the state of the economy, people have every right to express their concerns about behavior that is dangerous and utterly preventable. I'm not singling out obesity. I feel the same way about dangerous drivers, drinking, drug abuse, people not taking proper care of their children, people who let their pit bulls roam the neighborhood unleashed, people who keep handguns in the house loaded with small kids, people who don't use car seats, people who breed indiscriminately with four or five kids they can't afford and people who randomly engage in unsafe sexual practices without any thought of consequence.

If that makes me some kind of big meanie...too bad.

Re: 147

[hikari.livejournal.com]

So if you're opposed to a health care system that spends money on "stupid" and "reckless" people, why don't you feel the same way about people who play sports, or people having children, that you do about obese people?

I'm disagreeing with the fact that you seem to be putting people who are obese in a different category than people who play sports or engage in other hobbies that can cause injury, people who choose to have children, etc. when many of those people also need health care for a choice they have made. You may see their choices as more "admirable" than someone who has decided that they're happier eating and living how they want to, but that's completely subjective. So why are you under the impression that I'm being "defensive," simply for disagreeing with you?

If is, in fact, a "darling of the moment," it's because she was in a good movie where she gave an impressive performance. Some publications have praised her for it, and for having the courage to enter the public eye even though she does not fit the "accepted" standards of beauty. I have never once seen an article about her than denies obesity can cause health problems. Is she not worthy of being praised publicly because of her perceived imperfections? Do you think that the media should ignore and shun her because she is obese? Do you honestly think, with the hundreds articles and studies about the dangers of obesity published every year, American teenagers will be unaware of them just because some articles commending Gabourey Sidibe for her talent have also been published?