[ SECRET POST #1253 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1253 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 14 pages, 347 secrets from Secret Submission Post #179.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 1 2 - repeat ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - doing it wrong ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

143. http://imgur.com/IHxpR.png

[(Anonymous)]

*yawn*

[kitty-wake.livejournal.com]

Stop martyring yourself.

^This has to be a fandom law, even if it's fandom-specific. Surely?

[miakun.livejournal.com]

Do you feel this way about male/female relationships as well? Or do you ship non-explicit heterosexual relationships?

[xturncoatxiii.livejournal.com]

yeah, this.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm confused. Are you asking if it okay to not see outside your hetero normative lifestyle? I'm not saying slash away, but you can see how some pairings form right? Like Kirk/Spock for example?

[hector-rashbaum.livejournal.com]

If you're the same way about f/m friendships, don't see them as potentially romantic unless hit over the head with a sledgehammer of THEY LOVE EACH OTHER, then no, it's probably not a result of subtle, ingrained homophobic attitudes.

But if you're not, if it's only f/f and m/m friendships you can't/won't believe cross the line into romantic relationships , it might be worth examining why. Generally, when people react negatively to "I need to be explicitly told guys are gay before I assume they're gay for each other, but don't need to be explicitly told a man and woman are heterosexual before I assume they might date", they're not trying to say "you are a bad and horrible and evil homophobic ass", they're reacting to the incredibly strong tendency to erase LGBT people by assuming they must act a certain way, must be "obviously" LGBT, and the unwillingness to examine where that tendency comes from and why it's problematic because "that's just how it is".

[immortality.livejournal.com]

This.

[rdc9]

Thank you so much for saying this.

[jlh.livejournal.com]

Exactly, thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

I understand not really finding slash, but even though I'm not a real big slasher every once in a while there is a couple that make me think, huh? Yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

Is all good. I seem to be that way with M/F relationships. Other people are all 'it's so romantic' and I am all 'yay, friendship'!

Yeah, some people are nuts, your point? If people treat you like crap for no good reason, find new peeps.

[dar-actually.livejournal.com]

Rrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhttt... Because the gays can't offend you if they don't exist.

Not gonna lie, I used to be spectacularly dense at telling if anyone was together, straight couples or gay couples. Hell, I didn't even cop that a friend of mine was trying to set me up with her gay friend til weeks later. I've gotten much better since then. But even I know there's a huge difference between having trouble reading the chemistry between two people and wilfully pretending that gays don't exist. One's naive, the other's doing a disservice.

[oldstarnewshine.livejournal.com]

I have blurred my mental line between epic friendship and romance so much that I can't get my head around the idea of my OTP having sex...

[roadconezombie.livejournal.com]

I find it funny that the OPs of these particular secrets never answer that all important question: "What do you think of m/f then?"

Kids.

[(Anonymous)]

Same here. Epic friendship ftw.

[caelith.livejournal.com]

You can't find slash?

Have you tried checking behind the sofa?

[bloodrivendream.livejournal.com]

I would not say it is necessarily homophobic; but I would say it is a distinctly heteronormative view.
(Unless, you just assume most relationships are friends and are really dense when it comes to picking up on romantic relationships of all sorts...)

There is this tendency in society to presume everyone is heterosexual by default, unless distinctly proven otherwise. Which... is problematic.

There is this attitude that f/f and m/m friendship are the be all end all of friendship; and that m/f friendships always have romantic tension (see: When Harry met Sally, the scene where Harry insists men and women cannot be friends, a lot of people agree with this). This attitude bothers me.

If anyone can explain this better please do.

[pelespen.livejournal.com]

Meh - slash, het, femslash... I honestly don't get this whole business of "seeing" some sort of hidden relationship between *any* characters and using that as justification for shipping (I know that might not make any sense, but I feel there's a difference between "OMG Kirk/Spock - how can you not SEE it?!" and "Hm, there's something different. That would be fun to play with..."). I ship rare pairs because it's fun and challenging to write - not because I believe it was secretly canon or there was some hidden chemistry between the characters independent of whatever the creators wrote. I guess I just don't get involved or attached enough to fictional characters to go that far.

Maybe OP should worry less about "seeing" whatever kind of ships and just enjoy what they enjoy.

[demiincarnate.livejournal.com]

To be fair, since homosexuality is underrepresented in most media, any given character is much more likely to be written with the intent to have chemistry with a member of the opposite sex than with the same sex. Therefore most of the time, the OP's assumptions will be correct.

[chipped-diamond.livejournal.com]

I'm the same way, except with guy/girl couples. So much that I'm starting to think I might be asexual, or at the very least very narcissistic. 8D

[pants4pants.livejournal.com]

I've always thought of all good relationships as epic friendships, just epic friendships where sometimes they have sex.

I'm the same, op.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm similar this way too. Unless the chemistry is OBVIOUS (like Holmes and Watson. Seriously, I could see that from a mile away. It was like Holmes was, "WATSONWATSONWATSON Irene who? WATSONWATSONWATSONWATSON.) I have a hard time seeing slash. Maybe its because I don't ship much in general.

All of these "unless you only see f/m you're homophobic" comments make me D: I mean, yeah I tend to see some m/f friendships with shippy possibilities but not all the time. It's not because I don't think gay people shouldn't exist or anything like that, I just don't really see slash much because It doesn't interest me personaly. If other people do that's totally cool, I'm not like, "OMG HDU their friendship is SUPAR SPECIAL AND CANNOT BE TARNISHED"

IDK fsjjkfdskj.

[akai_senshi.livejournal.com]

“Homophobia-borne disability”? Pshaw. If you flat-out deny canon gay pairings, then you’re a homophobe. If you harsh someone else’s squee on a fanon pairing, especially because you like the straight option better- not so much.

[karaokegal.livejournal.com]

Maybe you haven't looked hard enough.