[ SECRET POST #1253 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1253 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[oldstarnewshine.livejournal.com]

IDGI. Why does it's being the afterlife mean it "isn't real"?

[miakun.livejournal.com]

Because it's not "this could be the afterlife/could be an alternate dimension". It's "this is the afterlife" so it leaves out people that maybe don't believe in anything after death. It subsists solely as people in the faith category can latch onto the ending, rather than those who were in it for the sciencey aspects.

[mynames-jess.livejournal.com]

Thank you. This wonderfully explains what I took issue with about it.

[oldstarnewshine.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but it's a fictional universe. The show isn't insisting that the sidwaysverse is how the afterlife works in the real world, or even that there is an afterlife in the real world. (And they also say that it's a place the main characters "created", so it might even be that that's not the way it works for the whole Lostverse, just Our Heroes.) It's just how it works on Lost; they're not trying to convert anyone.

[miakun.livejournal.com]

Well, no, but the show had established a set of rules for certain things, especially by having so many science types on the show (the entire Dharma initiative and Daniel especially) where they went out of their way to explain things in scientific terms (highly inaccurate, kind of ridiculous, but still they were trying).

I wasn't trying to say they were trying to convert someone, but they sort of copped out in not trying to think of a logical explanation as well as their faith aspect. By ignoring one aspect of their core structure in the show (because it's always been Faith and Science, Locke and Jack from the very beginning) in the end, it's not about pressing their beliefs on the audience, it's about going against what the show was about.

Anyway, I actually liked the finale. I was emotionally satisfied and the characters were what I signed up for, but I'm kind of tired of people acting like if you didn't like it you're stupid and didn't get it -- or were "naive" for expecting answers to the mysteries.

[oldstarnewshine.livejournal.com]

I have no problem with people not liking it (although the insults that people are throwing around at those who liked/disliked the finale bother me), I just don't understand why only some of the bizarre and fantastical that is factually true within the boundaries of the show's universe-- magic island that heals people, time travel, psychic Walt, Smoke Monster, afterlife-- people find hard to accept. The idea that the sideways verse was the afterlife was not a shocking change in the values of the show, to me. *shrug* IMO it's a fantasy show and you really have to go all in with what you'll accept. A lot of people seem unsatisfied with the fact that some of the answers we got were "well, it's a magic island", which... we kinda knew from the fourth episode, and everyone seemed perfectly happy to accept it then. There are tons of things I'd like to know, and am disappointed we didn't get to learn (particularly about Walt and what happened to the castaways between the island and sideways worlds), but I think the story feels complete as-is, in that the Lost universe is just significantly weirder than the one we inhabit. For all the little details left unresolved I can always look to fandom to try to sort them out (there's a lot of really awesome discussion about the sideways world and what it all means on TV Tropes, of all places). I get it if other people are frustrated that everything wasn't resolved in detail, but that there will always be some mysteries in such a fantastical universe feels completely in-line with the way the show has always been, IMO.

[miakun.livejournal.com]

Okay, I don't think I'm explaining what I mean clearly.

I don't mean that they should have explained everything (though they never really did explain what the hell was up with the Island in general, who was there first, what was the deaaaal, which is my main issue, because hello? point of the show -- it would have been like never finding out what was in that hatch).

I think that there definitely should have been some mystery left at the end of the show. Explaining everything would have been kind of horrible (which is why I like the ending, because I realize how much worse it could have been).

I just felt that by ending it on "this is something we haven't previously talked about/introduced" without some kind of side explanation or idea that had to do with faith and science (and honestly I'm still a little sad that my idea that the Island people going home would have imploded the other universe wasn't the explanation).

It's sort of like how they have the fact that the Island is weird, but they also talk about electromagnetism. There was always two kinds of things in the show and they kind of went the lazy route (sort of like Battlestar Galactica did) with the ending by saying "oh it's unexplained!" Instead of "it's could be this unexplainable fact of faith, or maybe it's also this science thing."

[oldstarnewshine.livejournal.com]

No, I do understand what you mean. But I think that the "it's unexplained!", as you put it, ending of the show is completely in line with how they'd explained things before. I don't see how saying, for example, "electromagnetism created the smoke monster" is explaining it any more than saying "island magic created the smoke monster", because in the Lost universe they're essentially the same thing. That's the way science works on Lost, you throw a guy who you can't kill into a big pocket of electromagnetic energy and you get a smoke monster. There are rules in the Lost universe just like in ours, and you can use those rules to your advantage, and you can comprehend them on a basic level, and you can even fuck around with them (like the Dharma Initiative did in a modern way, and the Man In Black in a more mystical way) but we aren't necessarily able to fundamentally understand them any more than we understand why the brain or subatomic particles work in the real world. In the Lost universe, people (or at least the main characters) get to go to a metaphysical place after they die to sort out their issues in a sort of alternate reality of their actual lives so they can find their family and friends and move on to whatever the next step is with them. It's not a science thing in the way we understand science, but it's how science rolls on Lost.

[hologrphcbuddha.livejournal.com]

This is just how I feel about it. Well put.

[minalskare.livejournal.com]

IAWTC

[(Anonymous)]

That's a dumb way of putting it. I don't believe in an afterlife but I don't mind watching TV shows about it, and I liked the finale.

I can understand people who like the more "logical puzzle" part of Lost being disappointed with the finale, but ultimately it was the creators' story to tell. And anyone who expected all of the plotlines to be tied up with a nice rational bow is an idiot tbh.

[miakun.livejournal.com]

I'm not lumping everyone into that category, I was just stating why some people may have had an issue with it.

And you're kind of rude and single-minded to think that people that were told we would have all the answers to these things and that the Lost creators had a plan from the beginning didn't have the right to expect some answers to their questions.

[(Anonymous)]

Hoo boy...

If you actually believed what you were told about getting a bunch of answers in the finale & the creators having a plan from the beginning... well maybe "idiot" isn't the word; how about "stunningly naive."

And of course I'm rude and single-minded, I'm anonymously posting on the Internet.

[miakun.livejournal.com]

I don't care if you post anonymously. A lot of people do that on f!s, but I'm tired of "oh you're stupid if you thought there'd be answers!" to Lost.

To be honest, I didn't think they'd explain anything, because the last two seasons made it very obvious to me that I wasn't going to get a satisfying ending (at least in terms of explanations), but I don't think someone who actually believed the creators who kept saying how they had a #-year plan and the ending all plotted out and a team of people keeping the continuity clear would get answers is stupid.

I had more hope that we'd get answers than "belief", but not being cynical and actually thinking that it would be plot out doesn't make someone stupid. Maybe slightly naive, but there's nothing wrong with that and the fault shouldn't lie with them. The people that were telling them that there was a "plan" and that there would be answers (like the constant promos about no more questions) are the ones that you should maybe name call.