[ SECRET POST #1271 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1271 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

No mudkips, don't worry.

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Comments

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

Y'know, maybe I'm just Mighty Whitey here, but... does deletion really solve anything? Wouldn't "I racefailed here, and here's why, and please take what you will from my writing, but I will either edit this or not be returning to it" make more sense?

[master-kogane.livejournal.com]

I think the only one who can decide if it was the right thing to do is the author. That she did not react to any of the latter comments makes me think that she wanted to wash her hands clean of this, at least for now.

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

Yeah, true. I just worry about the language of *fails, where it often seems people are being told not to write faily things, rather than "consider what you write before you do and make an informed choice about whether you feel that the story needs what you're about to say." I agree that authors really do need to think about what and how we write, but the way in which "allies" are encouraged *not to talk( until they get it "right" bugs me a lot.

[master-kogane.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen anybody say anything along the lines of "you are allowed to write that, ever". The few times someone reacted with "fine, I'm just never going to write PoC now, I hope you are all happy!", they were quickly told that this was exactly the wrong reaction, and not one anybody desired.

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

I understand that that's not the reaction people want. I just find it highly unrealistic of them to get bent out of shape when someone comes away feeling that way. I find it ridiculous that people seem to think they can get others to not have any kind of a defensive reaction, simply because ideally they wouldn't. That is the one and only thing that makes me uncomfortable about *fails. Sadly, sometimes if you say as much, you are accused of not checking privilege even then.

And so the wheel spins.

[master-kogane.livejournal.com]

But this is not about the (white) people who get defensive. Never is, never was. That they are making this about them in the first place, that I find absolutely ridiculous.

People are discussing racism in all shapes and forms and the only thing they get out of it is "well, I'm just not gonna write PoC, then! /HUFF". You don't see anything wrong with that?

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

I don't see how acknowledging that humans get defensive is somehow mutually exclusive with there being "anything wrong with" those reactions.

Of course there is something wrong with them; I said as much in my first comment.

[master-kogane.livejournal.com]

I read your previous comment as you being uncomfortable with the people pointing out that the HUFF kind of reaction is wrong.
I apologize for misunderstanding.

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

Thank you.

As someone who was working on a novel at the time of the big racefail in '09, I definitely wondered if I had written hundreds of pages of something insulting, and whether it would be best to make the Black character a white man just in case I'd made some mistake. I realized after a while that whitewashing my story wasn't the right thing to do... but I did, indeed, get defensive, and did wonder for a while if it would be the lesser of two evils to pretend that There Are No POC In Space.

I eventually realized that makes no sense, and looking over what I'd written I didn't *think* I was doing anything I didn't see. But I worried. So all that I mean is... I agree that huffs are unproductive, but the defensive "I don't know what the hell to do! I've put a lot of work into this -- years of writing -- and it's easier to get angry than to consider that I might need to spend another year fixing it all" reaction is... natural, I think, for all that it's really fucked up TOO.

[master-kogane.livejournal.com]

I understand the getting defensive reaction as well, I just think that (ideally) it should come in hand with the idea to ask others to give you input on your fic/story/characters, and that "I'm just going to give up/not even try, then" should never be how anyone should end up feeling.

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I agree. I was just saying I understand very well how other white people feel when they're going, "There's no way I can do this RIGHT!"

They're incorrect, yeah, but sometimes it feels like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't, particularly if you're worried you're navigating between the Scylla and Charybdis of two conflicting stereotypes.