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This this this! So much this!

Also I think Bill Weasley and Cedric Diggory are exempt from the Gary Stu label just because they show up so infrequently, and aren't really "important" characters, outside of various individual plot points that they have a part in, you know?

Sirius and Harry, on the other hand, are important characters, and could be labeled as Gary Stus, except JKR actually shows them doing things wrong and having people comment on them being wrong (particularly Sirius).

But Ginny is an important character, but she still seems to lack any sort of flaws, and thus her characterization suffers because of it. I think it's the fact that she is a character that should be more developed but isn't that causes backlash against her.

I mean, come on, JKR managed to pack development of the entire Malfoy family withi like, two books. And they were important characters who also didn't have very much "screentime." So I refuse to believe that she couldn't have done the same with Ginny.

So...basically, teal deer: what you said.

Yeah, I included Bill and Cedric because I consider them more Stuish than Harry or Sirius, because they don't have flaws that are ever actually revealed to us. But at the same time they don't bother me, even still, since Bill is a totally minor character who only really appears randomly to be fawned over by Fleur or looked up to by Ron and Ginny, so I think that's his function - to be admired and be an example to the others. But he's not a central character and thus it doesn't really irritate me, and he served as character development for Fleur since she showed genuine love for him not based in shallow things, and was able to fix her relationship with Molly through that. Cedric was pretty much perfect, but he's the sacrificial lamb - the death isn't as horrific if the person who dies isn't one of the 'pure, sweet, beautiful' etc. And neither of them are prominent enough to bug people, yeah, lol. But the mate of the lead character deserved to have a little more attention, because even if she isn't there as OFTEN as some of the others, she is an emotional stake for Harry and we need to know why he loves her, not just that he does.

I talked about this in my replies below, but I think that's the thing: I don't think Bill or Cedric or Stus, because they're not author self inserts. They're just what is often called flat characters, or two-dimensional characters. Something these kinds of characters have all bad traits, sometimes all good, and sometimes all neutral, depending on their role in the plot. They are only important in terms of their (usually limited) role on the plot and their function regarding the main character(s).

Ginny's one, too, and she's only important because she's Harry's girlfriend, so all we know about her is that she's ever-so-cute.

I don't think flat characters are always bad writing (they show up in most stories somewhere) as not every character can or should be well rounded, but they can be bad writing, if they show up to often or in the wrong place.

Whoa, typo city. Sorry.

But Ginny has flaws. Time and time people here go on and on about how she has such an awful temper and how she judged Fleur harshly (and she's shown to be in the wrong in these cases in the text) so I don't get how people call her a sue and an evil person at the same time. It can't be both ways. When I think of characters who's flaws are acknowledged in the text, I think of the Weasley twins or Luna, not Ginny because she is shown to be wrong.

But then I disagree that there was much development on the Malfoy family.

I did a reread and found a surprising amount of Harry acknowledging the twins as being wrong, which was interesting, because I think twins fans tend to gloss over these bits entirely. Though eventually Harry becomes weirdly desensitized and stops caring when the twins are doing something wrong, along with most other characters he likes, probably around book 5 when he seems to be suffering from PTSD (imho).

Ginny (once she's come out of her shell) has flaws to (some) readers. But she doesn't suffer any consequences of those flaws in canon. Her terrible temper only means moments where she puts the smackdown on people and leaves them in the dust. Her judging Fleur comes a little close since at least she's left unhappy when Molly accepts her, but only Molly gets told off for her unfair judgments. Within her own world if there's a scene with Ginny in it she's going to come out well.

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