[ SECRET POST #1290 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1290 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 108 secrets from Secret Submission Post #184.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

"a typical shock-porn fetish movie and mapplethorpe-like attempt to push the limits of "art"

You felt it appropriate to drag an artist who took some of the 20th century's most remarkable photographs into your complaint against this year's banal gross-out horror film. Well done.

Given your use of quotes ("art"), I really doubt you're familiar with Mapplethorpe's gritty, elegant body of work as a whole, his driving obsessions, the personal agendas present in his work, or his skill with a camera.

Perhaps you're thinking of some other crocked-up OH NO CHALLENGING ART IS CHALLENGING controversy from the 90's. Try again.

[seathing.livejournal.com]

I didn't catch that when I read the secret the first time, but I agree with you all the way after looking it up. OP could at least have looked up that one crazy chick who chained up a dog on one side of a room and put food on the other and called watching it starve to death 'art'. :C

[(Anonymous)]

Nono, see, anon was deliberately trying to associate the fact that Mapplethorpe was an artist who pushed the limits of what mainstream audiences consider "art," since anon is too academically analytical to dismiss the film as "lol stupid horror movie." Some of the quotes I've read from the director led anon to think that the director was in part trying to do a similar thing: pushing the limits of what is considered "art".

Anon is also unbelievably delighted to be discussing Mapplethorpe in a fandomsecrets thread. :D

[seathing.livejournal.com]

Art is up to interpretation, so pushing the limit of what people see as art is more like pushing the limit of what the mainstream will accept as art. I could light your drapes on fire and call it art, but most people wouldn't think it as anything other than petty arson.

It's pretty difficult to figure out where the line is between an artist being edgy and an artist wanting to screw with your head.

IE, the Punch-You-In-The-Face-Tunnel could be seen as an exercise in psychology-who would want to do something if they have been very up-front about the fact that at the end they will get punched in the face? Nobody forced them into it but in the end three people went in and the only reason nobody else did was because the artist ended up breaking the last's nose.

The artists new installation is the Rape Tunnel, which may be pushing things a bit far.
http://www.ourkitchensink.com/tag/the-punch-you-in-the-face-tunnel/

[keepdreamingxx.livejournal.com]

yeah, i was wondering about that too? (it bothered me that they spelled his name wrong, but i assume it's just a typo.) his stuff seems like "art" to me. photography, at least. the exact poses, the lighting, the props... mhm. all though i guess i can see how some people don't consider certain things as art, and maybe how mapplethorpe "pushes his limits" and that whole controversy over his x portfolio... okay i don't know.

[(Anonymous)]

See comment above. Anon was referencing Marplethorpe's (and anon is ASHAMED of the typo) dedication to pushing the limits of what is defined as "art" and to the controversies he stirred up and welcomed, rather than comparing his art to banal horror films.

Anon read a few lines from the director that made it sound like he usually does more "artsy" films, and was in part trying to push the limits of the genre. Which does not excuse the other two-thirds of the film: sick joke and torture-fetish-porn.

[(Anonymous)]

Anon is, to be frank, surprised and delighted that anyone else reading fandomsecrets knows who Marplethorpe is. :D

I was not, actually, referring to Marplethorpe's artwork, nor trying to compare it to banal horror movies. I actually don't know if I've seen any of Marplethorpe's work or not. What I was referring to was the kind of controversy he stirred up in that particular museum exhibition funded by National Endowment for the Arts, which became one of the only times in American judicial history when the subject of "what is art" was addressed by the Supreme Court. Was it the Supreme Court? A SRS-BSNS court, at least.

Artistic merit aside (and I do assume that Marplethorpe's work has great artistic merit), the exhibition clearly was meant to push the boundaries of what was considered "art". I thought about saying "that guy who exhibited the toilet with a label that said 'Fountain, ceramic'" but that doesn't have the same erudite ring as "Marplethorpe-like".