[ SECRET POST #1293 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1293 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[jlh.livejournal.com]

I don't know that a comm like little details would be the solve, but maybe a list of resources? Or maybe something more like a beta community? When the Racebending challenge was hosted on DW, there was a beta post. So that can be part of the solve, but not the entire solve.

I'm hesitant because the reason that people say "it's not my job to educate you" is that a comm might rely on [insert non-privileged group here] to rubberstamp fics. Avoiding fail is everyone's responsibility.

Also, fic writers spend tons of time researching canon, or the cities they want to set their fic in, or the kind of gun someone would use. I'm not sure why they can't research these kinds of issues as well, or why saying, "here are some links, have a good time" is such a threatening and horrible thing to say to a writer.

[(Anonymous)]

Because if you get details of canon/cities/guns wrong, you may get angry e-mails, but no one will suggest that you are actually evil for getting it wrong.

Plus, sometimes your research steers you wrong. I am a survivor of child molestation and one of the books I hate most is "The Tale of One Bad Rat," which is supposedly the tale of a sex abuse survivor. The reason I hate it is because I can tell the author thought they had gotten their research right, but what they did was buy into a set of myths which the survivors who don't ever come to terms with their abuse cling to (for instance, that the key to finding inner peace is to maximize your hatred of the abusers and to spew that venom over them to make them hurt too.)

[jlh.livejournal.com]

But there's the larger point: do you want everyone who might want to write a fic about survivors to send their fics to you and ask you to look through it? Because that's what people mean when they say "it's not my job to educate you." That writer probably talked to other survivors who feel differently. I look at books about people "like me" and I don't always see myself either.

The other point, of course, is to be able to take the crit and keep going. Fandom's wanky—I'm not saying it isn't—and I think that fandom actually can work out a solution someplace.

[(Anonymous)]

um, but "what they did was buy into a set of myths which the survivors who don't ever come to terms with their abuse cling to" means they did get their research right - as a piece from the perspective of that particular group of survivors. it just wasn't right from the other [just-as-valid-let's-not-make-value-judgements] group that you belong to.

Maybe the author is a sex abuse survivor, but from that 'never came to terms' subset. All research is not always right from all perspectives. Something can be a true and accurate and sensitive portrayal and still be offensive. To lots of people.

Does being offensive to someone mean you must appoligize? Does being true to life and authentic mean you have no obligation to consider other people's feelings?

Obviously this is all a matter of degree - but figuring out where the line is isn't going to be easy, no matter what your background is, when you're trying to predict how other people are going to think and feel about something. And getting it right for one group will probably mean getting it wrong for another.

That all sounds really defeatist, but I guess my point is all the really strong, definite language in these kinds of debates seems kind of... silly. Your Mileage May Vary is an Intarwebs catchphrase for a reason, man. And saying one personal reality makes a better or more reasonable consensus yardstick strikes me as rather - 'problematic.' Heh.