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fandomsecrets2010-07-27 04:31 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2010-07-27 04:31 pm
[ SECRET POST #1302 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1302 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 255 secrets from Secret Submission Post #186.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 3 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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Are they all good reasons? I don't know. I used to be involved in various groups, did similar kinds of public speaking, etc., but in the past few years it seems like I don't have a reliable block of free time. I'm too busy trying to scrape up the money around school to be able to afford each next semester. One of the groups I became involved with when I was 13 only meets on days I work. Is that a good enough reason to have put offline activism on the back burner? I'm honestly not sure. I go back and forth on that one, but I don't think I have the same energy to spare for it.
(Oh, and fuck Amnesty International for harassing post-secondary students for monetary donations. I just wanted to get that off my chest.)
BUT THEN I realized that I'd missed that first, "I'm a troll," line of your secret. Are you serious? You're an "activist" in your offline life, and then you go home and undermine it by upsetting as many people as you can online? Do you even realize how fucking hypocritical that is?
Holy crap, you're a piece of shit.
At one point in my life, when I was just coming out, I ended up in a lot of online debates about GLBT issues. I shouldn't have, because it was very detrimental to my emotional health at the time, and I didn't have the mental armor to deal with other people's transphobia that I later grew to have. But I did it because I was drawn like a moth to discussions about trans identity - I had no one in real life to talk with about it.
The fact that some people have said that they consider f!s one of the only places they can discuss an issue and this prompts you to sneer at and troll them is completely gross. How do YOU know what their reasons are for that?
I don't really think you either care about or understand the issues you're supposedly so interested in. If you did, your behaviour would be consistent enough to reflect that. Instead, you look like a self-righteous asshole who's only concerned with social justice when other people can SEE you do it.
Also, lol to your implicit suggestion that online debate doesn't matter. Some of the issues I care about now I ONLY became interested in through online debates just like the ones on f!s when I was a teenager. I know other people have had that experience.
And I've read the whole thread, so don't link me to your idiotic reply.
New reply then.
(Anonymous) 2010-07-28 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)2. Yes, there can be some good reasons to not be involved. But as you say, you have been involved. And activism does not only exist offline. Online is a fine place to be active. Getting all up in arms constantly on fandom!secrets? Not so much.
3. No I don't really undermine it. Usually my trolling is within limits of my own comfort, and there are certain lines that I don't cross. The assumption everyone's making is that I'm a horrible person that goes around harassing everyone with racism, homophobia, misogyny and the like. Er...not really. I incite wank and I fuel it. And, in this comm, a whole lot of back and forth opinions which can sometimes be classified as actual debate are in fact started by trolls. So I fail to see how stating an unpopular opinion or phrasing it in a subversive manner, which often leads to people voicing their own opinions is undermining anything. Who cares if the opinions I post are real or nice...most people here? Not that nice to each other when disagreeing anyway. It's not like I'm going into happy fairy land bringing death and destruction with me.
4. Yes, I do sneer at people who can ONLY talk about issues on F!S. It's one thing to engage in various online debates, and try to expand your knowledge, but to keep it in a single LJ comm where people are known for being nasty even when not trolling, and yelling about how unjust the world is without even branching out to another WEBSITE FFS? THAT is hypocrisy. If their opinions matter so much to them, then why not take them to some political blogs, or hell even another LJ comm? This secret is in reference to several people who apparently only have rage when they come here. And if you must know, this secret was made after seeing one too many people specifically state that.
5. I actually care very much about the issues I'm active in. And btw, there's plenty of behind the scenes work to be done everywhere, so no, not just when other people can SEE me doing anything.
6. Also, I never said online debate doesn't matter. In your case, you obviously did something productive because of online debate. Of course, plenty of people were affected in the same way, but you've already said, you didn't just keep it online, or to one single group on a social networking site.
Sorry you think I'm a piece of shit. (Something I would never say to anyone even when trolling.) You, in fact, seem like an interesting and intelligent person, whether we agree or disagree, but you did help illustrate a point that I've been trying to make about the viciousness between people on opposite sides of a dispute here.
There you go, hon, a reply of your very own.
Re: New reply then.
3. I didn't actually assume you were posting sexist/racist/'phobic comments. (I don't even have words for that level of hypocrisy if you were.) But you admitted to being amused at upsetting people. Do you think f!s exists in a vacuum? As someone else has pointed out, there are actual people at the other end. Apparently, you're not even starting wank because you believe in what you're saying but it's controversial (understandable), but because you want to laugh at people blowing up at each other. Yes, I think that is very much undermining what you are doing offline, and contrary to the spirit of it. I'd have even been fine with it if you found humour in it despite yourself, but causing wank and being proud of it? Oh, fuck you.
4. God, so what? You think f!s is that bad, you've been NOWHERE on the internet. There are political blogs out there that actually DO make this place look like happy fairy land. I've seen more minds changed on Livejournal than a lot of other places.
And I've never seen the comments you're speaking of, and I'm pretty sure I read just about all of the Big!Issue!Wanks on here, so they can't be that fucking common.
5. If you're not anonymous, other people are indeed seeing you.
6. If you're conceding the point, I guess that means you're going to stop being an asshole.
Sorry you think I'm a piece of shit. (Something I would never say to anyone even when trolling.)
I'm not, Ms. High Horse!
But then, I'm not a troll. I mean what I say whenever I say it; and if I say things meant to upset people, it's because they earned my scorn and not for my own shallow amusement. Unfortunately, sometimes people think I'm YOU, and it's that much harder to convince them that I believe what I say when people like you actually exist. Calling you a piece of shit when you act like one kinda falls way down on the personal list of sins.
But it's a special little guilt trip you're trying to pull there! "I might be trolling people on important issues, but at least I don't call them names, that's awful."
Try watching the comedy channel or something, eh? I bet it would be funnier.
Bye!
Re: New reply then.
(Anonymous) 2010-07-28 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)Tootles!